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Gameplay discussion should go in the Gameplay Discussion thread. Gameplay discussion includes, but is not exclusive to: - Runes and masteries
- Item builds
- Jungle paths
- Playstyle and skill order for new/updated champions
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On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team. - rank is an abstract concept, eventually you are getting matched with other people that, premade or not, you have about 50% chance of beating. (this is the ego I was talking about, wah I'm no longer platinum!) - I don't see how facing the best opponents you could hope for would be punishment for someone who only cares about getting better. But hey, keep raging, eventually you might even get to try it. edit: and now people are mentioning it, I also remember reading that this thing you're raging about isn't actually even possible. Anybody got source?
oh that explains it u dismiss all arguments because u dont play soloQ which was core game mode for 5 seasons and riot decided to get rid of it, fuck huge amount of people who played mostly soloQ and hated/didnt duoQ+ lets put them in 4man premades and make solo mmr worthless
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Yeah I mean if they disabled it its probably a bug.
Also I give zero shits whether or not the system works in challenger. Don't see anybody posting anything showing that it was broken in silver league.
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That's why I've switched to ARAMs for a while. They are relaxing.
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On January 16 2016 00:22 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team. - rank is an abstract concept, eventually you are getting matched with other people that, premade or not, you have about 50% chance of beating. (this is the ego I was talking about, wah I'm no longer platinum!) - I don't see how facing the best opponents you could hope for would be punishment for someone who only cares about getting better. But hey, keep raging, eventually you might even get to try it. edit: and now people are mentioning it, I also remember reading that this thing you're raging about isn't actually even possible. Anybody got source? oh that explains it u dismiss all arguments because u dont play soloQ which was core game mode for 5 seasons and riot decided to get rid of it, fuck huge amount of people who played mostly soloQ and hated/didnt duoQ+ lets put them in 4man premades and make solo mmr worthless
No, dude, I said all I do is soloQ. :p 99% of my games is soloQ.
I just don't care whether my team pay me any attention. And in the hypothetical case of a 4man and me I don't think it would take alot of thought to figure out what their play was and how to adapt to it.
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you shouldn't get matched against 5s but if you get matched against a 3 or 4 your team is likely the same
On January 15 2016 22:48 kongoline wrote:
i just wish they did separate queues for people playing in groups and solo players, instead of forcing me in this mishmash with random groups making solo rank meaningless
the issue with more queue modes is always that it divides the playerbase and increases time to find matches.
fewer queues mean that everyone is always playing together.
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On January 16 2016 00:37 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:22 kongoline wrote:On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team. - rank is an abstract concept, eventually you are getting matched with other people that, premade or not, you have about 50% chance of beating. (this is the ego I was talking about, wah I'm no longer platinum!) - I don't see how facing the best opponents you could hope for would be punishment for someone who only cares about getting better. But hey, keep raging, eventually you might even get to try it. edit: and now people are mentioning it, I also remember reading that this thing you're raging about isn't actually even possible. Anybody got source? oh that explains it u dismiss all arguments because u dont play soloQ which was core game mode for 5 seasons and riot decided to get rid of it, fuck huge amount of people who played mostly soloQ and hated/didnt duoQ+ lets put them in 4man premades and make solo mmr worthless No, dude, I said all I do is soloQ. :p 99% of my games is soloQ.
On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team.
MFW
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On January 16 2016 00:57 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2016 00:37 Osmoses wrote:On January 16 2016 00:22 kongoline wrote:On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team. - rank is an abstract concept, eventually you are getting matched with other people that, premade or not, you have about 50% chance of beating. (this is the ego I was talking about, wah I'm no longer platinum!) - I don't see how facing the best opponents you could hope for would be punishment for someone who only cares about getting better. But hey, keep raging, eventually you might even get to try it. edit: and now people are mentioning it, I also remember reading that this thing you're raging about isn't actually even possible. Anybody got source? oh that explains it u dismiss all arguments because u dont play soloQ which was core game mode for 5 seasons and riot decided to get rid of it, fuck huge amount of people who played mostly soloQ and hated/didnt duoQ+ lets put them in 4man premades and make solo mmr worthless No, dude, I said all I do is soloQ. :p 99% of my games is soloQ. Show nested quote +On January 15 2016 23:58 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:50 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 23:31 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 23:28 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 22:34 Osmoses wrote:On January 15 2016 19:40 Volband wrote:On January 15 2016 18:09 Osmoses wrote:
At the end of the day, just play the game. I'm glad that even in 2016, on a game discussion board nonetheless, we can still use the "IT'S JUST A GAME, BRO!" argument. Seriously, there numerous valid concerns across every elo, especially high d/masters/challenger, and you think JUST PLAY THE GAME will suddenly solve everything? You culd literally make a stamp with that quote and apply it to every single concern regarding the game. I thought we've outgrown this cliché. What are you even talking about? "just play the game" is not even remotely the same thing as "it's just a game". Same empty BS, backed up by arguments like it's not just my rank which will be invalidated, but everyone else's so it's evenly """fun""" for everyone involved! Yeah, not. I'm really happy for the clusterfuck in high elo, because unlike the destruction of SOLO queue in lower elos, Riot can not overlook it. Quite funny when you are actually considered lucky for not being one of the best players in your region. The only problem with this change is the hurt caused to your ego. That doesn't really bother me. I never knew my ego was - a scenario where you can end up as a solo player with 4 others with voice comm, possibly playing the whole game without any interaction from your teammates - an mmr system, which ranks your solo performance based on how you played with possibly up to four other teammates - a master/challenger level player, who gets queued up against 5 premade LCS players, and is suddenly being punished for being among the best players In top of that, Riot did not include built-in voice comm to a game mode which they said they created because this game meant to be played together, and you have a total fuck-up ready to serve. But I'm glad you are this ignorant, I think it only proves our point in the midst of this chaos, when people like you "srengthens" the camp of defenders. - I don't soloQ because I'm desperate for interaction from the rest of my team. MFW
Pretty clear that he means interaction isn't his reason for playing soloq.
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I don't soloQ for the purpose of interaction, I soloQ because I don't care about interaction xD
That was legit funny ^^ I mean, who would seriously say they never soloQ because they're desperate for attention?
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On January 16 2016 00:59 Osmoses wrote:
I don't soloQ for the purpose of interaction, I soloQ because I don't care about interaction xD
That was legit funny ^^ I mean, who would seriously say they never soloQ because they're desperate for attention?
Well in that case, don't you think your opponents should have the same means of communication as you? To make it a bit fairer?
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Well if we're still discussing what is apparently not intended behaviour, sure, but I would not necessarily leave that up to matchmaking. I can still choose to ping or chat, and I honestly believe that 90% of what needs to be communicated in a game can be comminicated just fine with action pings, teamspeak or no. Missing mid, danger tribush, got it. Missing drag, omw to baron, sure. Then when you lose a couple of teamfights you hit enter and type "we gotta group" or "crap comp, ff". Gets the message across splendidly.
I think the advantage of teamspeak is pretty much only inside a currently ongoing teamfight. Call the targets, shout warnings when there's no time to ping, shit like that. And shit like that you as an individual can outplay.
edit: on the note of voice chat, is that something which most people want? I can't think of anything I'd like less for this game. I still shudder at the thought of my WoW days when I had to sit in teamspeak with newly hatched fourteen year old boys who's voice would break constantly and send a shard of concentricity through my by then already ruined ears (and by extension, brain). Not to mention being cussed out in chat can't really compare to having someone yell it in your ear.
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Difference is when you are 5 man you listen to each other while in soloq pinging someone is missing doesn't mean the person is using that information. Same reason why warding in soloq isn't very important compared to arranged play. It doesn't matter how much information you have if you don't use it.
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On January 16 2016 01:14 nafta wrote:
Difference is when you are 5 man you listen to each other
heh
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There's probably more trust in a premade, that's true. And I totally sympathize, I don't personally trust my team's pings, I tend to assume they're just overcautious pussies. With this in mind though, wards become all the more important, because you can't just ping missing, you gotta prove something is up.
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damn this osmoses guy is trolling pretty long without getting banned props
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This forum needs an ignore feature -_-
As far as I'm concerned I'm making perfectly valid points, but what can men do against the ragemachine?
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I think there was a greasemonkey script to do that.
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On January 16 2016 01:47 Osmoses wrote:
This forum needs an ignore feature -_-
For once I agree with you :p
On the topic of voice chat, it's really useful to call map movements of other people while a fight is going on, e.g. if bot is fighting you can tell them mid is coming since nobody ever watches the minimap while fighting.
And yes, this does actually influence games quite a lot, especially the better people get.
For example, look at the K1CK team. They're all pretty mediocre players but they still beat a couple teams that were all individually better players because they had better teamwork, synergy and communication.
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I think they could improve the danger ping alot by adding an indicator arrow to where the danger is. Alot of times when someone is pinging me in the middle of a fight I just assume they mean "stop, don't fight because I'm scared you'll lose!". But if you could append an arrow with the danger ping you'd at least know what the intention was, i.e. jungler/botlane incoming.
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On January 16 2016 02:07 Osmoses wrote:
I think they could improve the danger ping alot by adding an indicator arrow to where the danger is. Alot of times when someone is pinging me in the middle of a fight I just assume they mean "stop, don't fight because I'm scared you'll lose!". But if you could append an arrow with the danger ping you'd at least know what the intention was, i.e. jungler/botlane incoming.
This is why I ping 4 times in a line on the minimap.
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