I can definitely see FQC over Athenes on Lux in matchups where the active stops enemy aggression.

For example, vs Cassiopeia, if you miss a Q she can usually dive on you and force you out of lane. But with FQC I feel like if you miss Q you just pop ghosts and walk away.

I don't think that removing the gold gen kills it at all, I think it just makes it more about the active.

DGA

Israel7 Posts

December 16 2015 07:19 GMT

#202

On December 15 2015 05:15 nafta wrote:
You really don't need a setup. Honestly her only problem is her passive is too hard to hit.

That is just how I shitpost.

Right now most mage supports are really good in lane and overall honestly. Just because they die easier than before if you fuckup hard isn't the end of the world. FQC is just way too good.

Also compared to last season where everyone went 0/9/21 now precision+thunderlord/windspeaker is such a big difference.

It means alot. The risk reward ratio is heavily against you this time around(unless you are brandy with his godly damage off eveything). Sona/nami/lulu/jenny/zyra all have issues now, if we leave the 100%-0% thing aside(since brandy for one also has this) then the issue is i feel because of new items/masteries/new champs/champ reworks you get less for your skills than you used to. Shields and heals are super meh, poke can be somehwat negated by relic shield/vamp mastery, and out of lane you need to play it perfect clutch skills or your team is going to to suffer.

You can stil do well on them, but you dont actually gain anything for having that way more risk on you. This is how i feel in games now:
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Prog

United Kingdom1470 Posts

December 16 2015 11:12 GMT

#203

I barely played Nami, Lulu and Zyra support this preseason, but I played some Sona and she felt stronger than ever. Borderline op even. Her laneing is insanely strong and she makes good use of the increased gold for supports. Shields and heals are stronger than last season. Spellthief's is way stronger than before. Less tp toplaners is also great for Sona as you will always be pushing with her.

Her winrate is also higher than ever. Actually, her winrate is one of the highest in the game right now.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

December 16 2015 11:15 GMT

#204

Same. Mage supports are just better than tanks right now purely because of the fqc.

DGA

Israel7 Posts

December 16 2015 14:04 GMT

#205

I never take winrate into account when discussing anything. The fact that other randomers are doing well or not with a given champion doesn't mean anything to me.

Can i add you guys in game and you show me how it's done?,really need all the help i can get on this, i find her unplayable

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

December 16 2015 14:04 GMT

#206

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nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

December 16 2015 14:12 GMT

#207

Can't really give a real opinion on sona cuz nobody picks her at my mmr. Reminds me of garen. Everyone talks about how good he is and links champion.gg yet I saw a grand total of 1 in 300 or so games.

DGA

Israel7 Posts

December 16 2015 14:16 GMT

#208

Eh it's nami, lulu, jenny even too, all the kewl squishis healers. i'd put soraka hear too but new mastery make her indirectly fine. Maybe it's just me not moving on with the times and adjusting my play somehow, we'll see

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

December 16 2015 15:00 GMT

#209

I mean, you can't simultaneously say that you don't care about win rates, and also complain that Sona is underpowered. Platinum+ players win more with Sona than literally any other support. That strongly suggests that if you are having problems, then the problem is on your end and not that she is underpowered.

DGA

Israel7 Posts

December 16 2015 15:08 GMT

#210

On December 17 2015 00:00 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I mean, you can't simultaneously say that you don't care about win rates, and also complain that Sona is underpowered. Platinum+ players win more with Sona than literally any other support. That strongly suggests that if you are having problems, then the problem is on your end and not that she is underpowered.

Yeah it could very well be the case, that's why i asked before to add some people up soi can see if it's indeed my play that's obsolete. But win rates in genral i pay no attention to, only to my experience

Prog

United Kingdom1470 Posts

December 16 2015 15:30 GMT

#211

Feel free to add me (same name as here), but I'm unsure how much I'll play in the next days/weeks.

(Also I'm not quite as high ranked as Nafta if that matters to you)

The_Unseen

France1923 Posts

December 16 2015 17:07 GMT

#212

Well I'm at complete shitlord Elo nowadays but for what it's worth I laned with a decent Sona the other day, it was LITERALLY complete faceroll against 2 squishies, I haven't tried her but she seems to do very well with the changes

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

December 17 2015 00:10 GMT

#213

Well for other supports that are actually really ~~good~~ cheesy, you should try ali with thunderlord's, and for full cheese mode, open the ap item. Enjoy free thunderlord's with almost every headbutt pulv combo.

Dan HH

Romania9251 Posts

December 17 2015 03:52 GMT

#214

I hadn't played Co-op vs AI and Blind pick since Season 1 but a friend recently started League and I went through all the stages with him and holy shit it's like the wild west in there.

Every other game there's bots buying boots first and suiciding down the middle over and over again. Every game people arguing non stop about "ks-ing" and other ridiculous things, calling eachother "retards", "faggots", etc, writing in all chat report X for blablabla then X responds saying no, report Y for blablala.

I don't know how this game keeps growing if new players have to go through all that bullshit. This is on EUW btw, dunno if it's the same in NA and other servers

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

December 17 2015 04:46 GMT

#215

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GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

December 17 2015 05:58 GMT

#216

On December 17 2015 12:52 Dan HH wrote:
I hadn't played Co-op vs AI and Blind pick since Season 1 but a friend recently started League and I went through all the stages with him and holy shit it's like the wild west in there.

Every other game there's bots buying boots first and suiciding down the middle over and over again. Every game people arguing non stop about "ks-ing" and other ridiculous things, calling eachother "retards", "faggots", etc, writing in all chat report X for blablabla then X responds saying no, report Y for blablala.

I don't know how this game keeps growing if new players have to go through all that bullshit. This is on EUW btw, dunno if it's the same in NA and other servers

If you're playing with him, you cause other smurfs to appear in his games. Most smurfs are created by people banned on their main accounts.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

December 17 2015 06:56 GMT

#217

snowdown store is somewhat of a letdown. I got an irelia skin and lulu skin, but 2 lux skins I won't use (I already have sailormoon), thresh(which I played like twice), and shyvana(have frost) is kinda sad