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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 28 2015 06:52 Ansibled wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that the power creep with the release of new champions has been getting worse lately? Not really. Honestly I think riot has done well with how strong champs are. Kindred is the only one that might be too good in competetive but she is garbage in soloq(at my elo at least). | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
her ult might just end up being to broken to not get picked in competitive but ther rest of her kit got hit pretty hard on the preseason patch. she's still one of the best abusers of shiv/rapidfire when played from the adc position, even after the warlords nerf because she has natural sustain, but I honestly don't expect that combo to last another patch (though I said that a patch ago). | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 28 2015 07:29 nafta wrote: Not really. Honestly I think riot has done well with how strong champs are. Kindred is the only one that might be too good in competetive but she is garbage in soloq(at my elo at least). It depends on your POV. If you compare releases to fotm champs, probably, but if someone plays fairly average level champs and wants to see them in LCS, like Singed, Malthazar, Karthus, or Amumu it does seem like new releases and reworks (particularly after inevitable buffs that happen if new champs are weak) will slot that champion above your favorite. Plus often things like Azir and Kalista are allowed to stay in competitive for months, while a person might notice that his favorite Xin or Sejuani gets crushed the second they sniff competitive. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
That seems like a ridiculously bad idea, since Jax doesn't meet any of A, B, or C. Not only is he one of the best users of Fervor and the Ferocity tree, and not only is the rest of the Cunning tree pretty shitty for him, but even if you ignored all of that and was determined to run X/18/X, he's still one of the top three users of Precision in the game. On November 28 2015 06:52 Ansibled wrote: Does it seem to anyone else that the power creep with the release of new champions has been getting worse lately? > Ranked 50/52 in win rate for top lane > somehow considered "OP" and representative of power creep I mean, yeah, new champ, people are bad at her, and as people learn to play her her win rate will rise. But I have absolutely no idea how you can say with a straight face, based on the evidence currently available, that she's OP. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
If anything, champions relying on little to no crit and still being able to output decent damage (Kalista, Kindred, Corki for his first 2, sometimes 3 items, etc.) was refreshing in comparison, and finally making kits that can work with hurricane because their steroids work well with it (rather than a bland AS increase) was, well, a good thing in general, but it happened to work with it too. Putting crit on hurricane destroyed that and annoyed me a lot. I'm curious to see what Corki would build (do you still take Warlord's on him? Between the dual penetration and the ability-centric keystone, going 18 in cunning seemed appealing to me; the mage keystone in ferocity's prob better than fervor on him at least). | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On November 28 2015 07:38 cLutZ wrote: It depends on your POV. If you compare releases to fotm champs, probably, but if someone plays fairly average level champs and wants to see them in LCS, like Singed, Malthazar, Karthus, or Amumu it does seem like new releases and reworks (particularly after inevitable buffs that happen if new champs are weak) will slot that champion above your favorite. Plus often things like Azir and Kalista are allowed to stay in competitive for months, while a person might notice that his favorite Xin or Sejuani gets crushed the second they sniff competitive. Well anivia/nunu/shen/annie/blitz/j4/renekton are seeing play. Generally it makes sense if a champ that gets reworked/released that they will be at least average otherwise why would they even bother changing/making them? Maybe it is just me but it isn't possible for every champion to be viable in competetive unless a lot of things get changed like items and the way champ select works in general. Pls stop even bringing up win rate. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On November 28 2015 07:44 nafta wrote: Well anivia/nunu/shen/annie/blitz/j4/renekton are seeing play. Generally it makes sense if a champ that gets reworked/released that they will be at least average otherwise why would they even bother changing/making them? Maybe it is just me but it isn't possible for every champion to be viable in competetive unless a lot of things get changed like items and the way champ select works in general. Pls stop even bringing up win rate. Of those, only Anivia really would be a champion from the pool that people would be pissed about how new releases keep being better than thier favorites. I don't disagree with the idea that newly made champs should be at least average. However, the complaint people have is that they feel like thier favorite champ won't be in the LCS anytime soon, unless it gets a rework, which then it won't be that persons favorite champ anymore. Or they look at the Sejuani situation or the feral flare time, and they say "Lee sin and Elise for 3 year and we can't even get two patches at the top?" | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
It's feels super inconsistent sometimes (To be clear i strongly preferred how LB was handled.) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Dunno a lot of those old champs simply can't be viable in competetive unless their numbers get buffed to retarded levels and then they would just shit on everyone in soloq. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
I think Illaoi will be strong however. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I particularly remember Ahri who didn't even spend 2 months after her mana nerfs made her actually in line with the other mids until Riot buffed them right back along with another QoL or two and explicitly stated in the patch notes that they buffed her because she wasn't seen as much anymore. | ||
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On November 28 2015 08:22 Slusher wrote: I agree only with the last sentiment, there does feel like a weird bias towards feeling it out. They were so careful to nerf Leblanc sion got nerfed like 3 consecutive patches after his reason for being picked in competitive got nerfed. It's feels super inconsistent sometimes (To be clear i strongly preferred how LB was handled.) See Zed buffs this patch for another example. Also when they offering small buffs to champs that had been recently viable to improve the champ pool at Worlds, Lee Sin actually got a buff, but Sejuani nothing. The Riot reasoning was that Sejuani had her moment in the sun and therefore they were ok leaving her out for a bit, but that completely conflicted with the idea of offering the buffs.Considering jungle viability at the time, they fucked up there. I'd say it's pretty undeniable that Riot has their favourites/a bias towards some champs. It's frustrating. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Which is only supports, and even then only certain supports. Soraka, maybe Janna. Alistar. That's about it. It's not that intelligence is bad. It's that precision is so fucking batshit OP crazy good that intelligence isn't good enough to compete. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2015 10:38 JimmiC wrote: Anyone know how high your mmr has to be to skip a div? I was gold 3 in a game with all plays including 2 plat 4 and 2 guys in play 5 promo. When I won game I went up to gold 2 was kinda expecting gold 1. Do you have to be like a hard core smurf to get the skip? It has to be significant. When I jumped from gold 3 to 1, I was matched with plat 2 and 1 players. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I Just played Rageblade Xin. ROOOFL. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 28 2015 12:07 JimmiC wrote: Wowza. Im a ways from that. Thanks If it makes you feel any better I quickly dropped back to gold 2, playing against hungry plat 1 players 10 games in a row. | ||
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