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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 16:39:57
November 27 2015 16:37 GMT
#141
quinn top has 59% winrate right now xD
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 27 2015 17:25 GMT
#142
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
November 27 2015 18:37 GMT
#143
Is there any champ that wants the 45% CDR mastery? I've reluctantly concluded that Nasus, for example, is just flat-out stronger with 12/0/18 rather than 12/18/0 or 0/18/12. Is there any other champ so dependent on CDR but which A) doesn't benefit more from Precision, B) makes good use of the lower-level Cunning masteries, and C) doesn't benefit more from a Ferocity or Resolve keystone?
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 27 2015 18:53 GMT
#144
On November 28 2015 03:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Is there any champ that wants the 45% CDR mastery? I've reluctantly concluded that Nasus, for example, is just flat-out stronger with 12/0/18 rather than 12/18/0 or 0/18/12. Is there any other champ so dependent on CDR but which A) doesn't benefit more from Precision, B) makes good use of the lower-level Cunning masteries, and C) doesn't benefit more from a Ferocity or Resolve keystone?


I'm running it on Jax.
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Kontossis
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada256 Posts
November 27 2015 18:54 GMT
#145
On November 28 2015 03:37 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Is there any champ that wants the 45% CDR mastery? I've reluctantly concluded that Nasus, for example, is just flat-out stronger with 12/0/18 rather than 12/18/0 or 0/18/12. Is there any other champ so dependent on CDR but which A) doesn't benefit more from Precision, B) makes good use of the lower-level Cunning masteries, and C) doesn't benefit more from a Ferocity or Resolve keystone?


I would assume Lulu would be better with the 45% CDR. Theoretically, you can E, and then Q twice before Help Pix ends, though it might not actually be possible due to cast times/latency. Even if you can't, Lulu isn't really meant for damage, but the utility of her skills, so it might be better no matter what.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 18:55:27
November 27 2015 18:54 GMT
#146
That is pretty fucking stupid.

The only champion I can think of is soraka and mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe janna. Precision is just too good not to get for 5% cdr.

Unless you playing on korea you can't cast q 2 times lol.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 27 2015 19:14 GMT
#147
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 20:15:32
November 27 2015 20:12 GMT
#148
it's pretty worth on Nami, like precision is obviously amazing early levels when you can E yourself without getting killed, but 5% cdr on heal isn't worthless and after the lane phase it's no contest.

lvl3 precision Nami with split pen runes can do like 60% of the ad's life though so it's not straight up the right choice, but if you are a late game greeder dog when it comes to runes/masteries I'd take it.
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 20:14:00
November 27 2015 20:12 GMT
#149
Anybody with very short DPS cooldowns would consider it if Deathfire Touch wasn't much better. Karthus/Ori come to mind. Lissandra possibly. It's not really competing with Precision for them though.

I think Sona/Nami/Soraka/Janna should consider it. Maybe support Karma?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 27 2015 20:22 GMT
#150
If you take 5% cdr on ori or kart over precision you should uninstall. On nami the 5% cdr is absolutely useless compared to having actual lane pressure.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 27 2015 20:24 GMT
#151
I mean like if your ad is Draven your job in lane is mostly to empower him to trade anyway, it depends on the match up, because precision is def only better for lane.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 20:27:17
November 27 2015 20:26 GMT
#152
No it doesn't matter what your ad is wtf. Nami isn't good unless you are playing forward. If you want to just sit back and "empower" your ad play soraka. That isn't how you support regardless of matchup.

Literally you only do that if you are vs thresh and he has flash and you don't AND you have no wards.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
November 27 2015 20:27 GMT
#153
I guess I agree it's greeder dog under any circumstance
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 27 2015 20:28 GMT
#154
But it isn't greeder dog it is simply bad. You are trading lane pressure on one of the strongest laners in the game for 5% cdr. It literally reduces your w by .5. As a champion with 3 ap abilities that scale ok it simply makes no sense.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 20:34:28
November 27 2015 20:33 GMT
#155
On November 28 2015 05:22 nafta wrote:
If you take 5% cdr on ori or kart over precision you should uninstall. On nami the 5% cdr is absolutely useless compared to having actual lane pressure.


Valuable insight. You *definitely* read what I wrote.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
November 27 2015 20:39 GMT
#156
On November 28 2015 05:33 Caiada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 05:22 nafta wrote:
If you take 5% cdr on ori or kart over precision you should uninstall. On nami the 5% cdr is absolutely useless compared to having actual lane pressure.


Valuable insight. You *definitely* read what I wrote.

How is torch relevant? I said between the 2 precision is strictly superior on those 2 champs.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
November 27 2015 21:25 GMT
#157
On November 28 2015 05:33 Caiada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 05:22 nafta wrote:
If you take 5% cdr on ori or kart over precision you should uninstall. On nami the 5% cdr is absolutely useless compared to having actual lane pressure.


Valuable insight. You *definitely* read what I wrote.

He did lol. You said the reason why people don't take it on Ori/Karthus was that DFT is better than Thunderlords.
Well you said they'd consider it but that basically means the same thing the way you wrote it.
This would imply that you think Intelligence is better than Precision on those champions (because otherwise they'd consider taking Precision), which is exactly what nafta is responding to.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 27 2015 21:52 GMT
#158
Does it seem to anyone else that the power creep with the release of new champions has been getting worse lately?
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
November 27 2015 21:54 GMT
#159
On November 28 2015 06:52 Ansibled wrote:
Does it seem to anyone else that the power creep with the release of new champions has been getting worse lately?

Is Lola really that strong though? In all the games I've played versus her she just gets kited to death without getting a single spell off most of the time.
Obviously if you fight into her when she has all her tentacles you're making a pretty big mistake, but most ranged champions do pretty well versus her.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
November 27 2015 22:24 GMT
#160
WHEN ARE THEY NERFING SORAKA

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