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On October 28 2015 04:41 Ketara wrote:
Sejuani is brainless easy to play. I'm not sure if you're being an ass on purpose here, or just clueless.
He's being a total dick here.
The real reason is that the W damage nerf really hurt her single target damage, which in turn both nerfed her jungle clear and her fighting power. At the same time, Gragas and Reksai remained very strong, so everybody just switched to them.
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On October 28 2015 04:41 Ketara wrote:
Sejuani is brainless easy to play. I'm not sure if you're being an ass on purpose here, or just clueless.
When the champion's raw stats aren't good it does make the champion harder to play. If her early ganks are bad, all it takes is a superior player who ganks better.
Don't forget her R only slows 30% if missed.
See what I am getting here? Sorry for being cheeky, but it sounds like I can justify any champion to be "good" based on his perceived difficulty to play. But the problem is that any champion can find success with lots of practice and perseverance from the player - so "good" in this sense becomes a tautology.
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On October 28 2015 04:32 Ketara wrote:
I think that is consistent with a different definition of good.
I think for most people, a "good" champion means a champion that is strong in comparison to other champions when played skillfully and properly.
There are other champions that are strong because they are easy to play and good champions to pick up as a fall back position for a role that you're not comfortable on.
But just because it's a good champion to learn doesn't mean it's a good champion. It just means they're good enough while simultaneously being easy.
Also what happened to sejuani jungle? Did Elise scare her away? Is gragas just better?
Cinderhulk nerfs ontop of cutting her Ult-Miss slow by two thirds and lowering the top end of her W onhit from 10% to 6% cut out a lot of her strength.
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When I get back to murrica there's so many junglers I want to try.
Tahm Kench, Kindred, Gragas, its amazing.
I am willing to bet that sejuani isn't so bad though. As long as there isn't an Elise/Lee sin camping your shit every single game.
When I learned how to play sejuani cinderhulk didn't exist and it was Lee/Jarvan every game and she was still pretty good.
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Actually I dont think you need to know what to do with reksai, her kit is braindead and tunnels mean you dont need to be smart about your pathing you can just do whatever. Also she got stronger thanks to new itemisation, titanic is all I ever wanted.
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United States15536 Posts
Can anyone explain to me how to play a decent Tahm jungle?
I'm the lowest of low Gold so it doesn't matter if it's good. I just want to be a fish all the time and I ONLY play jungle.
I can't tell if it's just runes/masteries, playstyle, or his optimization that I'm having trouble with (or had trouble with when I was trying to play him more often).
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I tried to play Reksai once and was like "this is confusing I'm stupid waaaaaaahhhhhhh"
Same shit happened to me with Lee and Elise.
@Asmo
I want to revive scips jungle challenge so we can figure out a correct clear for Tahm Kench. Please let me live vicariously through you by doing this. I want videos and documentation.
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i still like playing sejuani more than gragas i feel her clear speed is good (after first one which is horrendous), she pushes waves easier and doesnt use as much mana, her perma slow + engage ult is a lot easier and more reliable to use than gragas
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I do full clear on Tahm, I can make a quick post on him after I get back home.
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On October 28 2015 05:16 krndandaman wrote:meh some people just find certain champs harder to play. I for one had a much harder time picking up reksai (I'm still pretty mediocre on her) than gragas which was pretty intuitive for me. I know several people who say reksai is the easiest thing ever and others like me who find her fairly difficult to play well. edit: as for tahm jungle I recall an xj9 guide many other high elo players referred to to learn jungling him http://www.lolking.net/guides/357011 here it is doesn't seem like the most amazing guide but it's a starting point
I actually prefer guides like that to the super long ones that have tons of pointless text.
Just give runes/masteries, skill order, item build, and a bit of logic behind it. No need for 5 paragraphs on a specific item or an analysis of two items which nobodies built for 3 months anyway :p
Just what you need to go out and start learning the actual mechanics of the champ
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On October 28 2015 05:16 krndandaman wrote:meh some people just find certain champs harder to play. I for one had a much harder time picking up reksai (I'm still pretty mediocre on her) than gragas which was pretty intuitive for me. I know several people who say reksai is the easiest thing ever and others like me who find her fairly difficult to play well. edit: as for tahm jungle I recall an xj9 guide many other high elo players referred to to learn jungling him http://www.lolking.net/guides/357011 here it is doesn't seem like the most amazing guide but it's a starting point
haha his comment on randuin tbh i feel the same Randuin's is so terrible right now. The base stats are awful. The 10% less crit damage thing isn't that good at all I don't know why Riot made this item into a piece of garbage. I don't notice the damage reduction or even the attack speed when I buy it. I never buy it THIS ITEM IS TERRIBLE DONT BUY IT.
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just buy juggernaut items and kill them instead :>
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Once again everyone gets into a stupid argument where we just didn't set our parameters clearly - or at all.
Let's redefine the question this way: rank jungle champions that are the best for these people to main, if their only goal is to gain as much LP as possible after 100 solo queue games with that champion:
1) Chad, who is Challenger and really really good at this game. Before he starts this quest, he will spend 125 games practicing the mechanics of that champion in normals and read every guide out there to optimize his play as much as possible.
2) Gordon, who is Gold and decent at this game. He isn't going to practice the champion beforehand, but he has a decent enough sense of the game overall, and as he plays the champion he'll get better and better at it.
3) Bob, who is Bronze and trash at this game. He isn't going to practice the champion, and he also thinks he's in Elo hell and needs to 1v9 every game. Accordingly he will not identify mistakes in what he's doing, and instead is just going to be basically the same level throughout.
My votes are:
1) For Chad: Elise, Kayle, Shaco.
2) For Gordon: Amumu, Rammus, Diana, Wukong.
3) For Bob: Pantheon, Xin Zhao, Master Yi.
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On October 28 2015 05:54 Nos- wrote:
just buy juggernaut items and kill them instead :>
the only new juggernaut item i like is deadman's plate, that also reminds me why i dont like playing gragas anymore full tanks dont feel that rewarding anymore (which is fine i hated full tank meta) why bother when i can pick lee or elise build ap and one shot enemy adc
ps. also hate juggernaut buzzword riot is trying to force, its a bruiser
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A Juggernaut is a bruiser with really good base stats and damage, but low mobility (most importantly, no dashes or teleports or anything, MS buffs at most) and cc so you're supposed to kite them and they aren't good at range.
That doesn't necessarily fit Xin Zhao because of his spammable dash for example, or Gnar because range and mobility, or Jax (because his base stats aren't that good anymore sadly, everything from his armour to his mana pool to his base AS is bad, only exceptions are his good base AD and "decent" HP pool; the dude who was supposed to be one of the best duelists in the game with farm probably loses to the juggernauts and Fiora, Riven, Zed, along with a bunch of others now).
Sejuani isn't supposed to fit because she doesn't have has much damage as them despite rather good base stats, and mobility. Same with a bunch of tanks, who are resilient too, but can have more tools to deal with kiting, means of initiating, and mobility.
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On October 28 2015 05:01 AlterKot wrote:
Actually I dont think you need to know what to do with reksai, her kit is braindead and tunnels mean you dont need to be smart about your pathing you can just do whatever. Also she got stronger thanks to new itemisation, titanic is all I ever wanted.
Personally this is how i feel about Gragas but this conversation has made me realize I have to step back and aknowlege I've been playing this hero for 3 years.
This is actually a problem with myself I'm trying to correct. I've always struggled to teach because I have a bad habit of taking my intuition for granted.
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are they really that great duelists ? im pretty sure garen,skarner would get dumpstered by jax,trynd or yi, btw why olaf,udyr, trundle werent included? If we dig deeper all we get juggernaut is just a bruiser who doesnt have gapcloser but whats the point why not just call them bruisers they use the same items anyway.
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This conversation is really silly.
What's a tank, guys?
Is udyr a tank or a bruiser or a juggernaut or a manbearpig?
In an entirely less stupid (but still stupid) line of conversation.
If I asked people to help me test shit for the season 6 Lux guide, would you be eager to volunteer? Eager to volunteer if I paid you in RP cards at some horrible rate like 10 cents per game, or would you be like "no fuck off Ketara nobody cares about Lux go away"
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