EPTGaren doesn't really get dumpstered 1v1 if he gets items, not even by trynd, jax or yi. (From my own experience as Garen)
Skarner also used to not get dumpstered but then they halved his numbers :^)
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
Garen doesn't really get dumpstered 1v1 if he gets items, not even by trynd, jax or yi. (From my own experience as Garen) Skarner also used to not get dumpstered but then they halved his numbers :^) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On October 28 2015 07:38 Slusher wrote: Personally this is how i feel about Gragas but this conversation has made me realize I have to step back and aknowlege I've been playing this hero for 3 years. This is actually a problem with myself I'm trying to correct. I've always struggled to teach because I have a bad habit of taking my intuition for granted. You see this problem all the time in traditional sports. Former players that were incredibly talented failing at teaching because they don't understand how to teach what they are trying to get to and just tell their student what to do. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On October 28 2015 07:38 Slusher wrote: Personally this is how i feel about Gragas but this conversation has made me realize I have to step back and aknowlege I've been playing this hero for 3 years. This is actually a problem with myself I'm trying to correct. I've always struggled to teach because I have a bad habit of taking my intuition for granted. On the other hand I'm completely useless with Gragas and have no idea how to path with him so to each his own. Tahm Kench post coming soon. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Runes: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/41dmMiA.png) Masteries: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bFhw0de.png) Clear: https://streamable.com/cx8n After that I buy upgraded machete + boots and just do whatever, if there's an opportunity to gank then I go for it, if not then I just get a camp and look again. Most of the time gank is just Q + 2 autos and then W, I rarely go for stun for Q (in ganks that is, different case in teamfights and skirmishes). XJ9 is obviously a much better player than me (in fact he's probably my 2nd favorite jungler) so I'll probably try his guide, but the stuff above has worked for me pretty well. | ||
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kongoline
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Or is it only to facilitate his first and second clear in terms of speed? | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On October 28 2015 07:43 Ketara wrote: This conversation is really silly. What's a tank, guys? Is udyr a tank or a bruiser or a juggernaut or a manbearpig? In an entirely less stupid (but still stupid) line of conversation. If I asked people to help me test shit for the season 6 Lux guide, would you be eager to volunteer? Eager to volunteer if I paid you in RP cards at some horrible rate like 10 cents per game, or would you be like "no fuck off Ketara nobody cares about Lux go away" Whenever I play mid lane (rarely) I default to Lux so I may be of some use. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On October 28 2015 05:49 kongoline wrote: haha his comment on randuin tbh i feel the same We did the math on this in one of the strategy threads a while ago. The crit reduction is worth between 20-50 armor against the enemy AD if they utilize crit(and depending on your current armor value). Its certainly not something you build every game, but its raw power against critical strikes is quite high. Its especially powerful against Yasuo and Ashe and marginally more useful against Fiora and Shaco [in that they have abilities which guarantee crit and so those abilities damage is reduced*]. I am not sure how valuable it is against pantheon but it has the same kind of interaction. *edit: I should say that i am not suggesting that this means its a good pickup against these champions, just that the crit interaction gives it value. You should definitely pick it up against Yasuo and Ashe though | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On October 28 2015 09:02 Alaric wrote: Would you go for defense over offense since you're aiming at being a tanky mofo (who still ends up 2nd damage in the game because yay passive)? Or is it only to facilitate his first and second clear in terms of speed? From my experience Tahm Kench is innately so tanky I cant really feel much of a difference between 9 and 21 in defense (see support Tahm Kench for instance just multiply tankiness by ten since you're using better items). Might as well pick up offense to farm faster and do more damage. Basically do really good damage for a super tank or do good damage for a super tank. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On October 28 2015 10:44 Jek wrote: From my experience Tahm Kench is innately so tanky I cant really feel much of a difference between 9 and 21 in defense (see support Tahm Kench for instance just multiply tankiness by ten since you're using better items). Might as well pick up offense to farm faster and do more damage. Yeah, even at support. Kench is virtually unkillable. One time I went Devourer->BtoRK. Still nigh unkillable, but also suddenyl the best duelist in the game. E is so lulzy | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
Also I completely forgot that I'm supposed to kill a small blue minion first in order to get level 4 faster so that's 2 improvements to make. | ||
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killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On October 28 2015 08:50 AlterKot wrote: Alright so here's my Tahm Kench clear Runes: + Show Spoiler + Masteries: + Show Spoiler + Clear: https://streamable.com/cx8n After that I buy upgraded machete + boots and just do whatever, if there's an opportunity to gank then I go for it, if not then I just get a camp and look again. Most of the time gank is just Q + 2 autos and then W, I rarely go for stun for Q (in ganks that is, different case in teamfights and skirmishes). XJ9 is obviously a much better player than me (in fact he's probably my 2nd favorite jungler) so I'll probably try his guide, but the stuff above has worked for me pretty well. You take 2 armour and -1 damage (or does tk count as melee?) over 3% health and 12hp? I'd have thought 3% hp would be huge on someone who just stacks health anyway And what would your first impressions be of xj9's runes asp reds hp/lvl yellows armour quints cdr/lvl blues He seems to really value cdr (rushes kindle gem even if he wont upgrade it) and not value ms as much. He even recommends selling boots at full build if you have 3 dragons. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 28 2015 11:37 AlterKot wrote: Oh yeah I stopped doing that when I figured out I can eat small blue minion instead, but now I don't do it in order to save mana for more Qs. So starting with gromp spit is objectively superior. Also I completely forgot that I'm supposed to kill a small blue minion first in order to get level 4 faster so that's 2 improvements to make. I'm not sure I understand the last phrase... Krugs -> Red -> Raptors -> Blue where kill a small monster to hit level 4 then the rest of the camp? Also what happens when TK builds lifesteal, does the healing reduce the amount of grey health, or do you keep the same amount, leading to effective bonus HP? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Even the offense masteries are pretty wtf. Blade weaving instead of expose weakness on a tank????? | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Honestly I'd probably run 5/25/0. He's innately tanky, yeah, but that just makes his defensive tree masteries even better. I wonder if he's a champ where Perseverance/Second Wind is actually good? | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
No need for movespeed quints. | ||
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