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On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:09 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:08 Sufficiency wrote:
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How is it bullshit?
Comparing custom SR vs matchmade SR is the actual bullshit. It's not even remotely comparable. How is custom game Urf, and matchmade Urf even remotely comparable then? I don't follow your logic. You are saying: 1. Custom SR is available all year round. Has no impact on matchmade SR which is also available all year round. 2. Therefore, custom URF that is available all year round has no impact on matchmade URF which only happens a few weeks each year. ???????? Yeah... Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game. I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day. Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it. The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic")
You obviously haven't been on reddit lately. His reputation is sort of in the gutters right now.
As far as the toxicity + punishment issue is concerned: while I do not have direct knowledge of how it works, I have full faith that the current automatic punishment system is a great system and definitely superior to the old collaborative filtering Tribunal. After all, Riot has years of experience, lots of training data, and a very knowledgeable team to make it happen. I believe without a doubt that it improves player experience overall. But going back to the JC Penny video, the problem is that Riot's system is probably good as a whole for the players but FEELS bad because it's done by a machine learning algorithm - and we as humans HATE being evaluated by a piece of computer program or a string of mathematical formula - especially if we are the ones who are getting punished.
So that's the thesis I have in mind. Not sure if I really want to write it up, since I still need to do a bit more research to flesh out some of the arguments a little better. Currently I do find the incentives lacking so I am putting it on the backburner for now.
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Punishment system is a thing where actually working is vastly preferred to feels good, though.
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On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:09 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:08 Sufficiency wrote:
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How is it bullshit?
Comparing custom SR vs matchmade SR is the actual bullshit. It's not even remotely comparable. How is custom game Urf, and matchmade Urf even remotely comparable then? I don't follow your logic. You are saying: 1. Custom SR is available all year round. Has no impact on matchmade SR which is also available all year round. 2. Therefore, custom URF that is available all year round has no impact on matchmade URF which only happens a few weeks each year. ???????? Yeah... Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game. I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day. Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it. The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic")
I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all.
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On October 26 2015 06:27 Ketara wrote:
Punishment system is a thing where actually working is vastly preferred to feels good, though.
I don't disagree with you. In fact I believe 100% that this is a better system than the old Tribunal. But the problem is that humans are not always rational. The way the new Tribunal is done can feel inhumane and unsympathetic.
This sort of goes back to the JC Penny video I've linked. Just because it's actually good does not mean it feels good. When it doesn't feel good, it's bad for business.
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Well there are other things where feels good might be more important than is good.
I'm saying that punishment system is not one of those things.
For years I have thought that riots punishment system was too easy on players and needed to be more like what they're doing now.
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Have people noticed a difference since it has been implemented? The only difference I have seen is less intentional feeders since the border announcement but that could just be me/people around me getting lucky. The actual flaming part is the same.
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On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:09 iCanada wrote:
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How is custom game Urf, and matchmade Urf even remotely comparable then? I don't follow your logic. You are saying: 1. Custom SR is available all year round. Has no impact on matchmade SR which is also available all year round. 2. Therefore, custom URF that is available all year round has no impact on matchmade URF which only happens a few weeks each year. ???????? Yeah... Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game. I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day. Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it. The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all.
Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced.
In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls.
Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang.
Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter.
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On October 26 2015 06:37 nafta wrote:
Have people noticed a difference since it has been implemented? The only difference I have seen is less intentional feeders since the border announcement but that could just be me/people around me getting lucky. The actual flaming part is the same.
I have for sure.
There has been considerably less intentional feeding, less flaming, less raging and trolling in general.
Atleast, maybe people are less obvious about it. I have noticed it. I think some people forget how absolutely ragey and ridiculous LoL was in S1.
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On October 26 2015 06:37 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:
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You are saying:
1. Custom SR is available all year round. Has no impact on matchmade SR which is also available all year round.
2. Therefore, custom URF that is available all year round has no impact on matchmade URF which only happens a few weeks each year.
???????? Yeah... Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game. I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day. Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it. The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all. Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced. In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls. Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang. Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter.
I respectfully disagree. Getting a PhD in biological science (he did it in neuroscience) is very easy. Sure, a lot of time needs to be spent on it, but it's nothing special as far as the degree is concerned. In fact, if you have a degree in mechanical engineering, you should be more than smart enough to do a PhD in neuroscience if you have the time - except you will be greeted with a bleak future as a PhD in biological science gives you very little room career wise and there are way too many of them out there to compete with you.
And no, I highly doubt it that he has 4.0 GPA. Those people tends to go to medical school or go for PhD + MD programs if they REALLY like research. Even if he was an overachiever in university, a career in a game company is honestly a joke for someone with a PhD.
We cannot deny that he is an intellectual; but to say Lyte is "one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot" is a bit of a joke.
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Could you link some of those lyte papers? The ones I have seen are not what I would call "reliable".
Well people not writing anything or you muting them and you not seeing anything not much of a difference lol. Even s2 when everyone was 24/7 flaming it was basically the same as now.
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On October 26 2015 06:37 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:12 Sufficiency wrote:
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You are saying:
1. Custom SR is available all year round. Has no impact on matchmade SR which is also available all year round.
2. Therefore, custom URF that is available all year round has no impact on matchmade URF which only happens a few weeks each year.
???????? Yeah... Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game. I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day. Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it. The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all. Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced. In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls. Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang. Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter.
The one I have seen linked is probably not the one you are referencing, because its a single paper on SSRN. I don't disagree that he's probably smart, but from the evidence presented (that I've seen, and I don't follow him on twitlonger or troll his releases) he seems to be merely pushing his personal POV and using his degree as an appeal to authority.
He hasn't, as far as I have seen, released a whitepaper that is well sourced on the subject. Instead he does what a lot of online figures do, and picks and chooses the weakest arguments put up against his position (on reddit, LOL forums, twitter) and refutes them (because he has chosen the 6th Grade level position to argue against).
The classic description I would have for him is "a pyromanic in a field of strawmen."
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On October 26 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:16 iCanada wrote:
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Yeah...
Do you ever play games that are non-matchmade? In the Original DotA if you ever wanted a fair gaem you had to spend like 2 hours waiting for ten people around the same skill level to get in a game. Most of the time you'd still have one person who was playing the map for the first time and got absolutely pooped on... like a bronze level player randomly thrown into a challenger game.
I'd play matchmade urf over non-matchmade urf any day.
Sure it might kill your momentary week of hype, but I think you gain more traffic over the course of the year by having it. People LOVED Aram when the map first came out... there were always custom games for it.
The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all. Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced. In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls. Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang. Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter. I respectfully disagree. Getting a PhD in biological science (he did it in neuroscience) is very easy. Sure, a lot of time needs to be spent on it, but it's nothing special as far as the degree is concerned. In fact, if you have a degree in mechanical engineering, you should be more than smart enough to do a PhD in neuroscience if you have the time - except you will be greeted with a bleak future as a PhD in biological science gives you very little room career wise and there are way too many of them out there to compete with you. And no, I highly doubt it that he has 4.0 GPA. Those people tends to go to medical school or go for PhD + MD programs if they REALLY like research. We cannot deny that he is an intellectual; but to say Lyte is "one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot" is a bit of a joke.
I dont think it is fair for you to judge how easy or difficult his doctorate was to get. I think by definition getting a doctorate is very difficult, no matter what it is in. Thats a crap ton of dedication, stress, and risk. I respect that a lot, personally.
I never said he did, I said him finishing his Ph.D in 8 years meant he probably had grades similar to that. I know at the UofA, for me to get into a Masters program in engineering, you need a GPA of at least 3.8... so if you dont have that from your degree you need to do some "GPA boosting" in order to be considered. I guess I am assuming that this is the case for all programs at every post secondary institute. I could be wrong on this.
And, I would argue that Lyte must be one of the smartest / most talented people at Riot... He is what, 28? Basically that means he finished his degree at 26, so after 2 years he basically runs a department at one of the largest multinational companies in the industry... I think it is pretty clear Riot thinks he is one of their best people. You are right though, that is speculation.
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On October 26 2015 06:54 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 06:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:29 Sufficiency wrote:
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The problem is exclusivity and time-limited offer of URF. You are still failing to address this issue. Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid. I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic. That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all. Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced. In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls. Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang. Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter. I respectfully disagree. Getting a PhD in biological science (he did it in neuroscience) is very easy. Sure, a lot of time needs to be spent on it, but it's nothing special as far as the degree is concerned. In fact, if you have a degree in mechanical engineering, you should be more than smart enough to do a PhD in neuroscience if you have the time - except you will be greeted with a bleak future as a PhD in biological science gives you very little room career wise and there are way too many of them out there to compete with you. And no, I highly doubt it that he has 4.0 GPA. Those people tends to go to medical school or go for PhD + MD programs if they REALLY like research. We cannot deny that he is an intellectual; but to say Lyte is "one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot" is a bit of a joke. I dont think it is fair for you to judge how easy or difficult his doctorate was to get. I think by definition getting a doctorate is very difficult, no matter what it is in. Thats a crap ton of dedication, stress, and risk. I respect that a lot, personally. I never said he did, I said him finishing his Ph.D in 8 years meant he probably had grades similar to that. I know at the UofA, for me to get into a Masters program in engineering, you need a GPA of at least 3.8... so if you dont have that from your degree you need to do some "GPA boosting" in order to be considered. I guess I am assuming that this is the case for all programs at every post secondary institute. I could be wrong on this. And, I would argue that Lyte must be one of the smartest / most talented people at Riot... He is what, 28? Basically that means he finished his degree at 26, so after 2 years he basically runs a department at one of the largest multinational companies in the industry... I think it is pretty clear Riot thinks he is one of their best people. You are right though, that is speculation.
OK let's get this straight:
A PhD in neuroscience is nothing impressive. It's a simple degree that does not require much intellectual requirement - unlike someone who has a PhD in physics, mathematics, or a related field. It's a dime in a dozen degree. Granted, he got his PhD in University of Washington which IMO is fairly good as far as graduate departments go, but overall you are giving his degree way too much credits.
Also I seriously doubt you need a 3.8 GPA for a PhD in biological science. Unlike other departments, most high achievers in this field typically go to medical school so the "cream on top" is already removed.
Anyway, I think we are digressing too much from it. I honestly don't care about his degree; I do think that when people are being sarcastic about his degree on the internet (especially on reddit) it's a symptom caused by the impersonal new Tribunal which lacks human empathy.
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Wow Sufficiency, that's incredibly condescending and egotistical of you.
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On October 26 2015 07:09 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 06:54 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 06:43 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 06:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 06:29 cLutZ wrote:On October 26 2015 06:15 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 04:24 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 03:37 iCanada wrote:On October 26 2015 02:47 Sufficiency wrote:On October 26 2015 02:33 iCanada wrote:
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Well, I guess the thing is I honestly dont see how limiting URF to a single week exclusive window makes riot any money. If I love the URF game mode, and only that game mode, why would I buy skins for URF? Thats pretty stupid.
I mean, sure they get more traffic than they typically would, but I dont think that demographic is the one that buys a bunch of skins. I also think that means more money spent on the server, and more people pissed at the inevitable server failures that come congruent with the increased traffic.
That said, what do I know... I dont do sales or marketing, but I think you make more money out of the good faith of just giving your customers URF 24/7. I've thought it was incredibly stupid to keep it a exclusive thing anyway; my wife would play URF religiously, its like a more lolzy less serious ARAM... I am sure there are several others that would as well, and I bet they probably buy a skin a month. You should watch this. *SNIP* Well, that is unfortunate. Sometimes it strikes me how different i am than most people... here we have another example. I suppose this is why I am a Mechanical Engineer and not a Businessman. Riot has a fair share of this problem itself - especially with their player behaviour team (the Tribunal). In my opinion, the fact that it's led by Lyte who is more of a scholar type of person without much business experience really hurt how it is perceived by the players. I have been thinking about writing an essay about it. Do people actually not like Lyte? I dunno, he seems to back up everything he says with like 10 different peer reviewed studies or papers. It is kind of hard not to like Lyte. I thought most of the stupid stuff people bitch about from Riot isn't with respect to Lyte, but with respect to other rioters stealing some buzzwords he said and twisting them to justify whatever? (Like, Sandbox mode, for example... Lyte himself said he didn't believe the mode would be "toxic") I've seen a great many of his posts, and he either refers to " peer reviewed " studies or links the same one over and over. I've actually never seen a well-sourced statement by him. Its just a step above the YouTube feminist pseudoscience that is out there, if at all. Out of curiosity, did you check the sources on the one he linked? There were likely another 50 papers referenced. In addition, I bet a large part of the studies he'd like to link are behind pay walls. Getting a Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences is no joke, he knows what he is talking about and isn't spewing pseudoscience.... buddy went to college for 8 years minimum, assuming he had like a 4.0 through the whole shebang. Dont fool yourself, Lyte is probably one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot, and the industry for that matter. I respectfully disagree. Getting a PhD in biological science (he did it in neuroscience) is very easy. Sure, a lot of time needs to be spent on it, but it's nothing special as far as the degree is concerned. In fact, if you have a degree in mechanical engineering, you should be more than smart enough to do a PhD in neuroscience if you have the time - except you will be greeted with a bleak future as a PhD in biological science gives you very little room career wise and there are way too many of them out there to compete with you. And no, I highly doubt it that he has 4.0 GPA. Those people tends to go to medical school or go for PhD + MD programs if they REALLY like research. We cannot deny that he is an intellectual; but to say Lyte is "one of the smartest and most talented people at Riot" is a bit of a joke. I dont think it is fair for you to judge how easy or difficult his doctorate was to get. I think by definition getting a doctorate is very difficult, no matter what it is in. Thats a crap ton of dedication, stress, and risk. I respect that a lot, personally. I never said he did, I said him finishing his Ph.D in 8 years meant he probably had grades similar to that. I know at the UofA, for me to get into a Masters program in engineering, you need a GPA of at least 3.8... so if you dont have that from your degree you need to do some "GPA boosting" in order to be considered. I guess I am assuming that this is the case for all programs at every post secondary institute. I could be wrong on this. And, I would argue that Lyte must be one of the smartest / most talented people at Riot... He is what, 28? Basically that means he finished his degree at 26, so after 2 years he basically runs a department at one of the largest multinational companies in the industry... I think it is pretty clear Riot thinks he is one of their best people. You are right though, that is speculation. OK let's get this straight: A PhD in neuroscience is nothing impressive. It's a simple degree that does not require much intellectual requirement - unlike someone who has a PhD in physics, mathematics, or a related field. It's a dime in a dozen degree. Granted, he got his PhD in University of Washington which IMO is fairly good as far as graduate departments go, but overall you are giving his degree way too much credits. Also I seriously doubt you need a 3.8 GPA for a PhD in biological science.
I think calling a Ph.D of any kind "unimpressive" is rather short-sighted, especially not knowing what it took for him to get it. Don't get me wrong, I'm certain there are plenty of Ph.Ds out there who still don't know what they are doing, but this is a rather blanket statement to make. "Dime a dozen" is also curious because of the percentage of people out there who earn Ph.Ds at all is presumably rather low. Are there statistics out there that show that there are far more neuroscience Ph.Ds or information that justifies the ease of getting them?
On October 26 2015 07:10 Ketara wrote:
Wow Sufficiency, that's incredibly condescending and egotistical of you.
Eh, I guess this is what I'm trying to say.
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On October 26 2015 07:10 Ketara wrote:
Wow Sufficiency, that's incredibly condescending and egotistical of you.
Sorry if I sounded this way. But to go from PhD in neuroscience to "smartest person in Riot Games" (by the way, Riot has many people with advanced degrees and it has almost 1000 employees in total?) is very far fetched.
I don't deny his dedication which led him to complete his degree, however.
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On October 26 2015 07:16 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 07:10 Ketara wrote:
Wow Sufficiency, that's incredibly condescending and egotistical of you. Sorry if I sounded this way. But to go from PhD in neuroscience to "smartest person in Riot Games" (by the way, Riot has many people with advanced degrees and it has almost 1000 employees in total?) is very far fetched. I don't deny his dedication which led him to complete his degree, however.
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You pretty much did deny it. You don't need a ton of dedication to do something that is easy. As far as I am concerned, unless you took that course-load and associated courses, I dont really think you have any ability to disregard someones credentials like that. As far as I am concerned, that is incredibly disrespectful. How do you quantify difficulty of a degree or program? I personally found all the mechanics / math courses in my Engineering Degree to be quite easy, however many people struggle with them. Am I smarter? Not neccesarily, just more inclined to do math and mechanics.
You are also twisting my words. I never said he was the smartest person there, just one of the smartest... All I implied was that he was one of their higher level employees, which you would be stupid to disagree with. In a company with over 1000 employees, a department head IS most definitely a higher level employee. Lyte has hundreds of people working under him.
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Degrees aside, whether 4.0 or not does not matter, whether Lyte has a PhD or not does not matter. What Lyte has been doing clearly does not work, and he just keeps on trashing his reputation with his ask.fm account.
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On October 26 2015 09:14 crimethinking wrote:
Degrees aside, whether 4.0 or not does not matter, whether Lyte has a PhD or not does not matter. What Lyte has been doing clearly does not work, and he just keeps on trashing his reputation with his ask.fm account.
Why doesn't it work?
I feel like games are consistently less toxic than they were 1 or 2 years ago.
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On October 26 2015 09:36 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 09:14 crimethinking wrote:
Degrees aside, whether 4.0 or not does not matter, whether Lyte has a PhD or not does not matter. What Lyte has been doing clearly does not work, and he just keeps on trashing his reputation with his ask.fm account. Why doesn't it work? I feel like games are consistently less toxic than they were 1 or 2 years ago.
I'd agree with this as well. I remember people in like 1700 ELO ranked games just force feeding because someone picked the role they wanted... nearly every other game.
If you went a game without being told someone hoped your mom and dad got cancer and died right in front of you, you felt like you had just been in the nicest game, even if the entire chat log was things that by todays standards would be ragey as all hell.
In the very least, you had racial slurs, sexist exclamations, and general assholery in literally every single game. I've played 45 ranked games in the last two weeks, and I literally have not seen one troll. The difference is incredibly substantial.
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