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On September 25 2015 21:49 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2015 19:46 DarkCore wrote:
Yeah, mid lane has kind of fallen into the same pattern that top lane has, namely that you can run TP and never be pushed out of lane. Throw in a flask start, maybe a catalyst or Tear to clear super safe, and you're all set to go. Assassins can still blow you up ofc, but if you're low, you can just recall and be back in lane. Not to mention that bc you're always in lane, your opponent is probably going to fall behind in cs/levels if they back at an unfavorable time, while you have way more flexibility. I don't really like flask starts when running TP. Just feels like you wasting that TP advantage because you going full sustain anyway. I guess it's alright if you never intend to TP back into lane and instead just going to TP to side lane as your first TP.
I agree, opening Dring, then immediately basing when you can pick up ~1k gold worth of items seems to be the best way to play the tp mids. On Diana for instance I like to base when I can get codex + dring2, I feel like thats all she really needs to free farm so having tp down at that point is a non issue.
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anyone know any champs mid or top that can take red/blue buff solo at lvl 1 easily besides trundle? def the most satisfying cheese in solo q.
preferably not obvious ones like heimer/sion/etc where they ward that shit immediately
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GrandInquisitor
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Do you mean taking it and then tp'ing back to lane, or taking it at high enough health that they can just continue laning? There's a lot of champs that can do the former and way fewer that can do the latter.
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On September 26 2015 00:41 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Do you mean taking it and then tp'ing back to lane, or taking it at high enough health that they can just continue laning? There's a lot of champs that can do the former and way fewer that can do the latter.
both, honestly doesnt matter. All that matters is how fast they can take it. Trundle can do the former, but I usually TP anyway
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Jax is a good candidate. I wonder if Teemo could do it, because laning against a Teemo with red or blue buff sounds like absolute hell.
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used to be a legit strat on Jax was to ignite the red buff to help you steal it faster, then they disabled ignite on anything but champions (more to stop people from igniting minions)
you would go cloth 5, take counterstrike, ignite immediately to get 5 ad/ap and the damage, then walk to lane with ~3 pots and full hp if you did it right. crucially the buff alone (not the small minions) gave lvl2 at that time.
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You guys are giving me ideas...
i feel like viegar is a bit like rengar right now. he's getting fed in all my games but his playstyle is pretty binary. With the right teamcomp champions you beat them easily but if you dont have the right tools then they just murder your team.
Which isn't a good thing: when one champion forces entire comps to be built to counter them, it just shouts soloQ pick. I like Braum to counter Veigar though, only problem is that my team decides to go back in after I block a Q, not his ultimate.
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When the only tool necessary is someone to dive him, it's not really that big of a deal.
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On September 26 2015 04:56 Caiada wrote:
When the only tool necessary is someone to dive him, it's not really that big of a deal.
Not really, you need someone specific to dive him, later game he can just E on himself and one shot many divers.
they have to either have a way to avoid his E with range or a cleanse or something (or such fast burst he dies before it goes off)
or be quite tanky and able to eat his full combo and have enough damage to finish him in one rotation
Many divers just die instantly to QR and incidental damage late game.
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On September 26 2015 04:34 DarkCore wrote:You guys are giving me ideas... Show nested quote +i feel like viegar is a bit like rengar right now. he's getting fed in all my games but his playstyle is pretty binary. With the right teamcomp champions you beat them easily but if you dont have the right tools then they just murder your team. Which isn't a good thing: when one champion forces entire comps to be built to counter them, it just shouts soloQ pick. I like Braum to counter Veigar though, only problem is that my team decides to go back in after I block a Q, not his ultimate.
Veigar is not like Rengar though.
Veigar actually have quite a bit of persistent damage with his Q and he has quite a bit of AP. He is no longer the "blow one person up then die" champion like he was pre rework.
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On September 26 2015 06:05 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 04:34 DarkCore wrote:You guys are giving me ideas... i feel like viegar is a bit like rengar right now. he's getting fed in all my games but his playstyle is pretty binary. With the right teamcomp champions you beat them easily but if you dont have the right tools then they just murder your team. Which isn't a good thing: when one champion forces entire comps to be built to counter them, it just shouts soloQ pick. I like Braum to counter Veigar though, only problem is that my team decides to go back in after I block a Q, not his ultimate. Veigar is not like Rengar though. Veigar actually have quite a bit of persistent damage with his Q and he has quite a bit of AP. He is no longer the "blow one person up then die" champion like he was pre rework.
rengar has one of the most consistent damage outputs for an asssasin due to how his skills work. His ultimate is just for the jump/stealth. if he is left untouched he pentakills your team in seconds
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On September 26 2015 06:17 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 06:05 Sufficiency wrote:On September 26 2015 04:34 DarkCore wrote:You guys are giving me ideas... i feel like viegar is a bit like rengar right now. he's getting fed in all my games but his playstyle is pretty binary. With the right teamcomp champions you beat them easily but if you dont have the right tools then they just murder your team. Which isn't a good thing: when one champion forces entire comps to be built to counter them, it just shouts soloQ pick. I like Braum to counter Veigar though, only problem is that my team decides to go back in after I block a Q, not his ultimate. Veigar is not like Rengar though. Veigar actually have quite a bit of persistent damage with his Q and he has quite a bit of AP. He is no longer the "blow one person up then die" champion like he was pre rework. rengar has one of the most consistent damage outputs for an asssasin due to how his skills work. His ultimate is just for the jump/stealth. if he is left untouched he pentakills your team in seconds
Or he gets cc'ed and dies because he is, you know, melee.
Veigar has acceptable range on his Q and he can kite.
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On September 25 2015 17:57 Kinie wrote:
So maybe someone here can answer this for me.
I'm starting to see more and more Veigar's showing up in my games, and on the games of various League streamers. Is he legitimately good right now, or is this the "everyone forgot how to play against X champion so they're OP" syndrome again, like it was for Eve earlier in 2015?
His q now grants AP on assists which makes it easier for him to come back into the game and smooths out his need to ks.
His w had its delay and CD moved to the start of the animation, which was an effective .25 second buff to both. I feel like this was the biggest change because hitting a w vs not hitting a w is way more than maybe 100 AP lategame since w has one of the highest base and scaling damages in the game.
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And two posts in a row demonstrating why rengar is the epitome of dumbness.
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On September 26 2015 06:40 cLutZ wrote:
And two posts in a row demonstrating why rengar is the epitome of dumbness.
I actually think Yi is worse....
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On September 26 2015 07:00 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:On September 26 2015 06:40 cLutZ wrote:
And two posts in a row demonstrating why rengar is the epitome of dumbness. I actually think Yi is worse.... Simply having stealth makes Rengar a royal pain. His burst just puts him over the top as one of the most annoying.
I don't disagree you you on the stealth, but Yi has reset, point-and-click gapcloser that renders him untargettable, lots of AS/MS, heal which also reduces damage, and true damage that scales with AD...
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On September 26 2015 07:19 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 07:00 krndandaman wrote:On September 26 2015 06:54 Sufficiency wrote:On September 26 2015 06:40 cLutZ wrote:
And two posts in a row demonstrating why rengar is the epitome of dumbness. I actually think Yi is worse.... Simply having stealth makes Rengar a royal pain. His burst just puts him over the top as one of the most annoying. I don't disagree you you on the stealth, but Yi has reset, point-and-click gapcloser that renders him untargettable, lots of AS/MS, heal which also reduces damage, and true damage that scales with AD...
Yes but Yi still needs some time to kill someone, while Rengar just blows up your carry in less than a second.
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