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I'm going to ekko the statement that the new devourer seems pretty strong on Kayle. It feels a lot stronger than old devourer Kayle as in you're not hitting like a wet noodle in the late game.
I'm not sure how it works for the rest of the on-hit champs as most of them can't afford to build several other damaging on-hit items like runaan's, nashor's, wits, botrk without being too squishy.
Ranged on-hit champions like Teemo, Vayne, and Lucian can't really jungle and/or can't use devourer as well as Kayle. Without the AoE damage they clear much slower and take way more damage so they can't gank as well. Most of them don't have good CC for ganks either and none of them have Kayle's ult.
It's probably less good on the rest of the melee on-hit junglers in the game like Jax, Xin, Irelia, Shyvana, etc... just because they can build at most like 1 other on-hit item before suffering from being too squishy for the teamfights So while they get a lot from the new devourer compared to the old one, they don't get as much as Kayle does.
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If Devour has taught me anything it's how many players have no idea what 'on-hit effects' means
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On July 17 2015 11:52 Slusher wrote:
If Devour has taught me anything it's how many players have no idea what 'on-hit effects' means
It's more that they don't know the difference between on-hit and on-attack. Doesn't help that Riot does a shit job of making the difference clear.
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I think some players legitimately thing you get double seen and double auto attack damage, and I'm not talking bronze specific
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new tsm legends tonight gonna be fucking awesome haha.
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On July 18 2015 03:08 AsnSensation wrote:
new tsm legends tonight gonna be fucking awesome haha.
Bjergsen's tweet has made the TSM subreddit hype as shit with anticipation.
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On July 18 2015 03:31 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:08 AsnSensation wrote:
new tsm legends tonight gonna be fucking awesome haha. Bjergsen's tweet has made the TSM subreddit hype as shit with anticipation.
What did Bjergsen do?
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TSM got renamed to Team Solo Dane obviously.
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On July 18 2015 03:37 Jek wrote:
TSM got renamed to Team Solo Dane obviously.
Santorin benched. lomo
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I'm at work and can't watch a 42 minute video. Cliffs Notes version?
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On July 18 2015 04:11 Seuss wrote:
I'm at work and can't watch a 42 minute video. Cliffs Notes version?
they lost because of bad play but the picks weren't good either/pretty much every player got told they are doing shit wrong in game(only bjerg was too negative out of it)/regi is going to take a more active role(as a coach) and is going to push the team to try harder/their teamfighting is dogshit
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On July 18 2015 04:11 Seuss wrote:
I'm at work and can't watch a 42 minute video. Cliffs Notes version?
Just watched it and here's the highlights. Forgot to timpstamp them.
+ Show Spoiler +0) Wildturtle confirmed vegan.
1) Loco and Regi discuss teamcomps.
2) Bjerg allowed to pick whatever he wants despite what Loco wants.
3) Talk with players about their anti-synergistic comp.
4) Reaction to Piglet's Baron steal. hue
5) Talk about horrible teamfights and the wierd itemization.
6) Loco suggests Warmog's as 5th item instead of Thornmail (Jek: Suggest Targon's ffs, Loco pls)
7) Wildturtle lied and confirmed vegetarian.
8) Team review last LCS games' mistakes.
9) Players find Regi a really harsh coach, but likes him for it.
10) Dyrus can do 300 push ups, and is actually a dietist! :O
11) Team talk with Regi:
Lustboy: Stellar earlier, but dropped off in this meta since it requires more communication and he goes too ham without warning also partly a general team problem. Lustboy is confident he'll improve.
Bjergsen: Most consistent. Need better attitude, and stay positive in bad games. Team member looks up to him. Higher expectations. Need to respect in this meta it's harder for mid to carry.
Dyrus: (himself) Talks about general toplane play and decisions. Communication issues. Prone to tilting.
Regi: Wants to be a lot more active in coaching. Wants better improvements from the scrim practice. Everyone needs better attitude in losing games.
12) Regi as strictly coach instead of playing-coach is better for the atmosphere.
13) Loco talks about the early TSM days, it was an easy choice to join TSM instead staying with Alliance.
14) Regi believes he can improve greatly as a coach over the playoffs. Team improvement will probably take some time.
tl;dr: Team needs better attitude, communication, better drafts/teamfights and Regi wants to be a lot more active as a coach.
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6) Loco suggests Warmog's as 5th item instead of Thornmail
Says a lot about Loco's analytical skill. Thornmail or a BV would've been much more efficient that game.
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Basically this is how led to Loco's draft decision prior to the game vs TL (based on the conversations in the video)
(1) Bjergsen tells him that Ez is good pick vs Azir
(2) Loco originally wanted him to pick Orianna but Bjerg convinces him otherwise.
(3) Loco forgets how the champion actually functions with the rest of the comp.
The result is a very ineffiicent teamcomp. And then we see the Olaf ban (???) and Fenix getting Azir next game... Afterwards Regi then bascially demoted Loco to assisant coach and took over the head coach position.
It's easy to critize people in hindsight and follow the circlejerk, but based on every interview with Loco over the years I always felt like he seemed like an unalytical guy.
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On July 18 2015 05:50 Caiada wrote:Says a lot about Loco's analytical skill. Thornmail or a BV would've been much more efficient that game.
I actually dont think suggesting something instead of Thornmail was a bad idea, they were playing a mostly magic damage team (TL played Corki) and Fenix was destroying everyone. Think Targon's would have been a million times better than Warmog's tho or BV as you mention.
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Bjergsen is such a primadonna l o l. If he were not to listen his coach's p/b in KR/CN, he'd get benched till he fix his mentality.
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On July 18 2015 06:14 Mensol wrote:
Bjergsen is such a primadonna l o l. If he were not to listen his coach's p/b in KR/CN, he'd get benched till he fix his mentality.
Please think twice before insulting innocent players based on your completely off interpretations of events. If you think a bit more logically while rewatching the video again, you'll likely draw this conclusion:
(1) Prior to the game, Loco initially wanted Bjergsen on Orianna (versus Azir I guess)
(2) Bjergsen told him that Ez was good vs Azir
(3) Loco let Bjergsen pick Ez without thinking about the synergy of the teamcomp.
At no point during the video was there any reason to believe that Bjergsen picked Ez against the will of Loco, and it's so dumb to make assumptions based on the perspective of one person who clearly has an interst (when talking to his boss) in redirecting the blaim away from him self.
But if you rewatch this a couple of times and read betwen the lines, I believe the above is the only logical conclusion you can draw from the conversation.
And this is 100% on Loco!!! When Bjergsen tells Loco that Ez is good vs Azir, Loco's reaction should just be: interesting, I take that into account along with several other factors when drafting the teamcomp. .
Instead Loco didn't take into account how the teamcomp synergy would look like if Bjerg was on Ez.
This is also why Reginald tweets that Bjergsen has a great attitude and that the issues are related to the coaching staff. Noone ever implies that Bjergsen picked a champion against the will of Loco. Bjergsen just needed to work on being more optimistic.
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The thing is that Loco shouldntve let Bjerg pick Ezreal when he already prepared (or team synergy) strats with Orianna. You have to listen your coach in pick&ban phase, thats why he is standing behind of you.
IIt's obvious that Loco has lost his authority over Bjergsen. Thats why Regi decided to take more active role as coach.
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