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Reindeeer
United Kingdom12 Posts
On July 02 2015 04:16 Ethelis wrote: First there was NA Rengar, now there is Western Evelynn. God bless LCS, never fails to deliver. LCS is a shit show, but its our shit show and that is all that matters. How are LCS pros building eve ? | ||
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ConanTroutman
Canada67 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
While 52 champions have been seen so far there's a pretty clear set of champions that are favored for each role:
+ Show Spoiler + Day 1:
Day 2:
Out of 100 picks champions on the list were chosen 52 times. Sivir was actually picked in every single game. There were some new or newish faces, such as Shen, Orianna, Tristana and even Olaf, but for the most part the games felt the same as those we've seen the past few weeks. It's not just champions, meta has something to do with it, but it's making NA LCS boring. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 02 2015 04:31 ConanTroutman wrote: I don't get the Eve picks in any region to be honest, Eve just seems like such a gambit early, you either snowball your lanes off of early gank pressure or spend the rest of the game playing a jungler who has very little CC and scales poorly with the items you're building on her. I really just don't get it into RekSai. If she and Gragas are banned, though it's not bad because it's a nunu deny and then nothing else really has aoe plus earlygame pressure. Sccip probably knows more though. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On July 02 2015 04:23 Reindeeer wrote: LCS is a shit show, but its our shit show and that is all that matters. How are LCS pros building eve ? Trailblazer with warrior enchant into straight tank with locket/randuins | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On July 02 2015 04:31 ConanTroutman wrote: I don't get the Eve picks in any region to be honest, Eve just seems like such a gambit early, you either snowball your lanes off of early gank pressure or spend the rest of the game playing a jungler who has very little CC and scales poorly with the items you're building on her. then it shouldn't be a surprise that the team doing the best with Eve js Najin, super strong lanes + Eve forces you to play like a gaping Vag for the first 20 min. Just having Eve on a team is a huge advantage if you are playing respectfully, I usually ban Eve when I'm first pick, not because I think the hero is OP but because I feel like the way I'm forced to play either gives my lane opponent a huge advantage or leaves me exposed to feeding. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 02 2015 05:42 Fildun wrote: I don't get why anybody would build Trailblazer on any champion ever. You basically concede a fighting summoner for no substantial gain. Even on stuff like Eve you're way better off picking up red smite and buying a couple pots. I used to think this way too about my Junglers but I came to the realization that faster jungle clears means more money and that translates into faster power spikes. In my case, it was with Diana. From level 4-9, she has a decent kit for jungling but with Blasting Smite, you really breeze thru your side of the jungle. I find fast clear times rather important for Diana, considering how big a difference that first NLR can be. Also obligatory mention of Nunu with Ranger's, because steal more things. I def agree combat Smites are better (Stalker's or Skirmisher's, based on your preference) but it's definitely not 100% black and white. I'd say for Sej, I like Stalker's but apparently everyone and their mom also go Ranger's on her too. Probably for the same reason as above but you can buy cheaper item prereqs for Sej and nothing is as expensive as an NLR. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On July 02 2015 05:56 NeoIllusions wrote: I used to think this way too about my Junglers but I came to the realization that faster jungle clears means more money and that translates into faster power spikes. In my case, it was with Diana. From level 4-9, she has a decent kit for jungling but with Blasting Smite, you really breeze thru your side of the jungle. I find fast clear times rather important for Diana, considering how big a difference that first NLR can be. Also obligatory mention of Nunu with Ranger's, because steal more things. I def agree combat Smites are better (Stalker's or Skirmisher's, based on your preference) but it's definitely not 100% black and white. I'd say for Sej, I like Stalker's but apparently everyone and their mom also go Ranger's on her too. Probably for the same reason as above but you can buy cheaper item prereqs for Sej and nothing is as expensive as an NLR. Well, most currently played junglers, unlike Diana, can clear the small monsters pretty well, so they don't need Trailblazer for the AoE. On every jungler that can clear the small minions it's effectively a waste imo, because you can still just smite the big guy for the same effect but now you also have an extra combat summoner. For stuff like Nunu and Diana it does make sense though. Kinda. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 02 2015 06:10 Fildun wrote: Well, most currently played junglers, unlike Diana, can clear the small monsters pretty well, so they don't need Trailblazer for the AoE. On every jungler that can clear the small minions it's effectively a waste imo, because you can still just smite the big guy for the same effect but now you also have an extra combat summoner. For stuff like Nunu and Diana it does make sense though. Kinda. Why do you think Diana has issues with small monsters? Between Pale Cascade, Moonsilver Blade, and eventually Runeglaive she just straight up murders stuff. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On July 02 2015 06:13 Gahlo wrote: Why do you think Diana has issues with small monsters? Between Pale Cascade, Moonsilver Blade, and eventually Runeglaive she just straight up murders stuff. Idk, I don't play Diana nor have seen her much, and Neo claims that she has faster clears with Trailblazer (faster than with other upgraded smites) so there must be some problem with the small monsters, otherwise the Trailblazer wouldn't be faster. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
like you have to get it on xin and probably stuff like rengar jarvan whatever else doesnt clear well On July 02 2015 05:08 Seuss wrote: I'll admit that as a semi-casual observer NA LCS seems very samey in terms of picks. The data seems to back this up. While 52 champions have been seen so far there's a pretty clear set of champions that are favored for each role:
+ Show Spoiler + Day 1:
Day 2:
Out of 100 picks champions on the list were chosen 52 times. Sivir was actually picked in every single game. There were some new or newish faces, such as Shen, Orianna, Tristana and even Olaf, but for the most part the games felt the same as those we've seen the past few weeks. It's not just champions, meta has something to do with it, but it's making NA LCS boring. I think I mentioned this after MSI finals of how cut and dry picks were. Most of the champs in this list are just so obviously superior to most alternatives simply because they do everything and have no real weaknesses. I can see why maybe reksai and sivir and maokai and alistar/naut mightn't necessarily be OP but most of the ones on the list have been insanely good for ages | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
Anyway, the point I was originally making was that in most pro matches, with champs like Gragas, Reksai, Eve and Sej, people still go Trailblazer 80-90% of the time, which is just straight up a mistake. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Sej in competitive was unique because she makes shit use of Blue and won't be dueling, so you might as well farm quicker for 6. You were picking her essentially to give up the first 8-10 minutes if they went Rek/Lee/Grag and then smash teamfights. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 02 2015 05:08 Seuss wrote: I'll admit that as a semi-casual observer NA LCS seems very samey in terms of picks. The data seems to back this up. While 52 champions have been seen so far there's a pretty clear set of champions that are favored for each role:
+ Show Spoiler + Day 1:
Day 2:
Out of 100 picks champions on the list were chosen 52 times. Sivir was actually picked in every single game. There were some new or newish faces, such as Shen, Orianna, Tristana and even Olaf, but for the most part the games felt the same as those we've seen the past few weeks. It's not just champions, meta has something to do with it, but it's making NA LCS boring. Those numbers are also inflated because it is over more than one patch. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On July 02 2015 06:27 Fildun wrote: On both Xin and Rengar going red smite is a pretty good option, but that's more of a stylistic choice as well. On Jarvan I guess it's the best? Anyway, the point I was originally making was that in most pro matches, with champs like Gragas, Reksai, Eve and Sej, people still go Trailblazer 80-90% of the time, which is just straight up a mistake. red smite sucks now that its not on hit its only good to reduce damage I don't think its worth the loss in farm and hp and shit On July 02 2015 06:43 Kinie wrote: Cinderhulk Vi's clear is decent, there's still mana issues if you try to hard jungle farm on her without Ranger's smite, but considering you usually don't want to hard farm as Vi it isnt as much of a problem. I don't think cinderhulk vi is a good idea just because she relies so much on burst damage and she utility as she lives longer (assuming you aren't building damage) is really quite low compared to pretty much every other cinderhulk jungle she doesnt even have the sticking power to use the tank stats well. | ||
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