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TiP Adrian – "CLG Stole Our Strat"

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ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 02:18:10
April 09 2015 01:09 GMT
#1



It's been quite a year for Adrian Ma. He entered this year thinking he would be attending Robert Morris University as one of its League of Legends scholarship students, but after being scouted by the former LMQ team at the end of last year he found himself on one of the hottest teams in NA. With the ascendant formerly known as WizFuJiin by his side, North America's most aggressive jungler to back him up, NA's only remaining samurai in mid, and a World Champion rounding out the squad, he now looks forward to facing Team SoloMid for a shot at the North American finals in his debut split. I got a chance to catch up with the region's hottest new support player, and find out how they felt against Gravity, how apparently CLG steals their strats, his thoughts on TSM, and his reflections on his first year.



You're in the semifinals in your debut split of the LCS. How does that feel?


I feel really good about it, but I'm pretty sad we didn't go 3-0. We shoulda went 3-0. The Fizz cheese surprised us.



Apollo said when I interviewed him last week that he didn't know what to expect from Gravity, saying they were a “weird team,” but was pretty confident. What did you expect going into these games?


I thought that as long as we weren't too shocked by their cheese, we're better in every single lane. Just raw skill.



In that second game, was it just that the Fizz caught you completely off guard, because you banned it every game after that?


Yeah, the Fizz and Rumble caught us off guard. ...and XiaoWeiXiao didn't have masteries that game.



Yeah, I saw that. I guess there's another Piglet. Did he realize that in the game, or did he figure it out after?


He figured it out after. Impact was all, “XWX, did you forget your masteries?” and he said “No, I just deleted them!” He tried to play it off, but I think he forgot it.



Every other game seemed to go really well for you guys. How did it feel inside the game?


I love playing with Rush, because with him we can play really good mindgames because he's always really aggressive. We can act like he's in our lane, when he's not, and they play scared all around the map.



Every other jungler has really moved over to those tanky junglers, heavily prioritizing the Sejuani, but Rush has stayed true to the Vi, the Lee Sin. Do you feel like you don't need those tank junglers when you have a player like Rush?


Yeah, I don't think we need the tank junglers. But if the tank junglers are really strong, he'll learn them. Coach doesn't think we need to learn it yet, but he's been playing 'em.



The series had a lot of really specific target bans – you guys took out the Urgot every game, Gravity took out the Lee Sin, the TF, the Yasuo – how did you approach the pick/ban phase going into it knowing that both your teams are really unpredictable?


We were really surprised by their bans. It's really surprising how they banned TF and Yasuo. Those were our two strong champions, revolving around the mid lane, but XWX's champion pool is really deep and strong compared to Keane's, whose is really weak, so we were really confident.



XWX has been pretty much the only player who's really stayed true to that Yasuo. What makes you guys so confident that it's still a strong pick?


He's a master of it. He'll win matchups he shouldn't be winning, and he picks it into counter matchups and still wins. It's really funny to watch him to play. We build the team around it.



So you guys were planning on bringing out the TF this series?


CLG stole our strat. They don't know how to play the TF comp. Everything they did, we would've done better. We played it against them.



Vlad showed up just about every game this series – what makes it so strong? Some players have had a lot of success on it, and some people like Zion in the previous series didn't have too much of an effect on it.


Zion actually picked it up from Impact, because he lost so much to Impact. I think Impact and XiaoWeiXiao are really good at Vladimir, and he's just a really strong pick. He does so much in team fights. With Sivir speedup, he can beat anyone, and he can one-shot people.



Before, he wasn't picked because he was so easy to bully early on in the game. Is that no longer a concern?


Most junglers are playing more defensive, farm-heavy junglers like tanks. But Rush can still play aggressive, so they can't play Vlad as effectively.



This weekend was the first weekend on 5.6. Did this change anything?


Nothing really changed.



Not even lookin' at that Bard yet, not even with the buffs?


Bard's a weird champion. I've been trying it out, and I don't think he's ready. It'd have to be a perfect situation to pick him.



Now you've got TSM. How do you see TSM matching up with you guys?


I feel like we showed so much this week. We have to come up with new plans and strategies, and we don't know what TSM's been practicing since they have a bye. We don't know what they've picked up. It's gonna be really hard and unpredictable, and they know so much about us already.



The mid lane is gonna be something people are really looking at, with XWX and Bjergsen possibly the top two midlaners. Does having someone with such an imposing presence as Bjergsen in their mid lane affect the way you approach the game? You can usually assume XWX will probably win lane...


It's gonna be way different. We can't always expect XWX to win, so...I think XWX can actually win. Bjergsen? Overrated.



What about your matchup against Wildturtle and Lustboy?


Everyone calls us an average bot lane, but I think TSM is the best bot lane NA. People think Aphromoo and Bunny are better than Lustboy, but I think Lustboy is miles better than them. They just look more flashy.



Yeah, I actually agree. Lustboy's vision game is incredible.


His vision game, and his mindgames are really good. He actually understands the game, while other supports just try to look cool.



Speaking of looking cool, you tend to bust out that Leona, which is one of the biggest playmaking supports, and you're one of the only players who really seems to be dedicated to that Leona. What is it about that pick that you keep coming back to?


It's so easy to play Leona. We can dive, and we like being aggressive. I can tank so much and have a good amount of CC. The only thing that caught us off guard was the Fizz, because every time I tried to flash towards him he'd dodge my skills so it was really frustrating.



The Nautilus support you busted out in the first game seems to be one of those pretty cool engaging supports. You think that's got legs, and gonna stick around?


It's gonna be around now. It's pretty strong, but it's not OP.



For you personally, you made the choice to leave school from RMU and come here to participate in LCS. Reflecting back on that decision, how has your pro career worked out for you?


I'm really happy I chose to leave RMU *laughs* But I heard they qualified for Top 4, so that's good for them. Being pro is way more fun.



You think you're gonna stick around for a couple years if you get the chance?


Yeah, I definitely wanna stay a few more years, but I will go back to school eventually.



When you go back, what are you thinking about studying?


I actually wanna do something medical – science field.



Any shoutouts? Anything you wanna leave the interview with?


I really want to say thank you to my manager Alex Gu for believing in me. I didn't choke. Thank you to our sponsors Koios and Azubu.



Alright! Good luck next week!





  • Writers: ShiroKaisen
  • Editors: Carnivorous Sheep
  • Graphics: Laural, JonGalt
  • Photos: GHOSTCLAW
  • Thanks to: "Adrian" Ma

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 09 2015 02:41 GMT
#2
nice interview, though i felt adrian revealed too much about their teams strats with his answers.
liftlift > tsm
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
April 09 2015 02:43 GMT
#3
Lotta confidence. I like it. That's the LMQ/TiP way.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Faeny
Profile Joined January 2015
647 Posts
April 09 2015 02:59 GMT
#4
So if we take the answers at face value, it seems CLG and TiP scrimmed a lot, CLG got crushed and tried to copy what TiP used to crush them? Lol

Also, about the Robert Morris University league of legends stuff, I wonder if it had anything to do with:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2uf17k/everything_wrong_with_robert_morris_universitys/
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/29186b/league_of_legends_scholarships_at_robert_morris/

On April 09 2015 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
nice interview, though i felt adrian revealed too much about their teams strats with his answers.

I thought so too. But maybe it's mindgames!
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
April 09 2015 03:07 GMT
#5
Lol hes delighted to leave RMU that money sucking institution of a school.
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Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
April 09 2015 03:07 GMT
#6
Love the confidence and trashtalk. It gets people talking, interested, and excited.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 09 2015 03:55 GMT
#7
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
April 09 2015 04:04 GMT
#8
Finally ppl starting to recognize Lustboy is playing out of his mind on TSM this season. Bjergsen getting all the credit (he's playing super amazing this season too tbh) just off flashier plays is really unjust for how Lustboy wins TSM their entire game.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
April 09 2015 09:56 GMT
#9
On April 09 2015 12:07 MooMooMugi wrote:
Lol hes delighted to leave RMU that money sucking institution of a school.

If he got a scholarship (depending on how big) that probably wouldn't be as much of an issue.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 10:09:13
April 09 2015 10:09 GMT
#10
On April 09 2015 11:59 Faeny wrote:
So if we take the answers at face value, it seems CLG and TiP scrimmed a lot, CLG got crushed and tried to copy what TiP used to crush them? Lol

Also, about the Robert Morris University league of legends stuff, I wonder if it had anything to do with:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2uf17k/everything_wrong_with_robert_morris_universitys/
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/29186b/league_of_legends_scholarships_at_robert_morris/

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On April 09 2015 11:41 wei2coolman wrote:
nice interview, though i felt adrian revealed too much about their teams strats with his answers.

I thought so too. But maybe it's mindgames!

I've heard Impact has been crushing people in practice. You've got Zion getting dumpstered by his vlad apparently, and then you also hear from Quas that Impact is the hardest player to practice against and he gets solo killed like every other game in that TL AMA.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
April 09 2015 12:02 GMT
#11
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Nathanael
Profile Joined January 2015
United Kingdom14 Posts
April 09 2015 12:49 GMT
#12
Really interesting to hear that CLG was in such a rut that they felt they had to use strats and comps they got crushed by but were unfamiliar with.
I am the danger.
ConanTroutman
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada67 Posts
April 09 2015 13:22 GMT
#13
On April 09 2015 21:49 Nathanael wrote:
Really interesting to hear that CLG was in such a rut that they felt they had to use strats and comps they got crushed by but were unfamiliar with.

I think this logic is a bit flawed and especially so since we don't have the context that the comp was picked. Teams "steal" strats from each other all the time. Almost every team. When you scrim a team or play a game on LAN you have to accept that whatever strategy or picks you use in the match are now going to be free to everyone who watches it. For all any of us may know CLG may have tried that strat in scrims and wrecked with it, unless they come out and say something we'll never now.

Don't get me wrong, CLG got absolutely destroyed but Adrian implying they stole a strat is a tad silly, they simply decided that it might be a strat that would work for them too.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
April 09 2015 13:37 GMT
#14
Oh come on, if TiP actually used this strat in a scrim against CLG and crushed them, then CLG used it in a match, it is them "stealing" the strat. It's that simple, no need to make excuses for your home team. I agree with you though it probably happens all the time, and this was one of those times.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
April 09 2015 13:50 GMT
#15
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all that.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 09 2015 14:21 GMT
#16
Lobe the write up, but the chance that TIP thinks this strat is good is incredibly low. You hardly ever can get a player to admit maokai is good, let alone a whole, unique, strategy.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 09 2015 14:48 GMT
#17
[image loading]

Can we discuss how kawaii Adrian looks in this pic?
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Faker_Fanboy
Profile Joined January 2015
70 Posts
April 09 2015 15:28 GMT
#18
On April 09 2015 23:21 cLutZ wrote:
Lobe the write up, but the chance that TIP thinks this strat is good is incredibly low. You hardly ever can get a player to admit maokai is good, let alone a whole, unique, strategy.


then why did gravity ban TF all 5 games?
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Mag1c
Profile Joined February 2015
Canada180 Posts
April 09 2015 21:16 GMT
#19
On April 09 2015 13:04 KissBlade wrote:
Finally ppl starting to recognize Lustboy is playing out of his mind on TSM this season. Bjergsen getting all the credit (he's playing super amazing this season too tbh) just off flashier plays is really unjust for how Lustboy wins TSM their entire game.

I think Lustboy gets plenty of recognition. I pegged him as NA's top Support based on statistics a few weeks ago.

Aphromoo and Bunny definitely look really flashy and impressive, but their vision games are low tier, and Bunny's champion pool and play style variety aren't great.


Great interview overall.
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Nathanael
Profile Joined January 2015
United Kingdom14 Posts
April 09 2015 21:48 GMT
#20
On April 09 2015 22:22 ConanTroutman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 21:49 Nathanael wrote:
Really interesting to hear that CLG was in such a rut that they felt they had to use strats and comps they got crushed by but were unfamiliar with.

I think this logic is a bit flawed and especially so since we don't have the context that the comp was picked. Teams "steal" strats from each other all the time. Almost every team. When you scrim a team or play a game on LAN you have to accept that whatever strategy or picks you use in the match are now going to be free to everyone who watches it. For all any of us may know CLG may have tried that strat in scrims and wrecked with it, unless they come out and say something we'll never now.

Don't get me wrong, CLG got absolutely destroyed but Adrian implying they stole a strat is a tad silly, they simply decided that it might be a strat that would work for them too.


Judging by how badly they got stopped when the TF was banned away from them I'd bet that they had no other successful strats so they had to resort to that comp.
I am the danger.
ConanTroutman
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada67 Posts
April 10 2015 17:30 GMT
#21
On April 09 2015 22:37 Zdrastochye wrote:
Oh come on, if TiP actually used this strat in a scrim against CLG and crushed them, then CLG used it in a match, it is them "stealing" the strat. It's that simple, no need to make excuses for your home team. I agree with you though it probably happens all the time, and this was one of those times.


You can't "steal" a strategy, that implies they did something morally wrong. Stategies aren't intellectual property, it's a way of playing. Did TiP discover it was a viable strat? Sure. The strat doesn't belong to them though and there's no moral or ethical quandary in them using it.

Furthermore once you show a strat in scrims you relinquish any right to feel butthurt about your strat being used, it's why you have to be smart about when and where you utilize it.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 10 2015 18:07 GMT
#22
I think you are taking the term "steal" a bit too literally. People use it in a light-hearted manner all the time, it's not some accusatory judgment.
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