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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
On April 03 2015 07:01 Nemireck wrote: Annie is pretty beast mode in URF I'm finding. Lane with a Sona and dominate a game or two  Dude, sona could lane with a minion and dominate  | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On April 03 2015 22:50 General_Winter wrote: Played an URF game with Nami. It was quite sick, that W every 2 seconds puts out a lot of damage and keeps your lane partner(s) really well healed even with the healing nerf. And with the extra gold you can build full AP and get to the truly insane late game scaling on Nami's W. (math: all moves other than Nami's W scale linearly but Nami's W scales cubicly, so once you start getting to high AP 400+ it has by far the best scaling of any spell). I don't think you understand what linear vs exponential scaling actually means. an ability that hits 3 times scales linearly with a coefficient of 3. I won't edit out me being an asshole ^ but I will apologize for it and say that I was wrong and you were right. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
EDIT: read below the ===== for damage calculations. //Accidently calculated the healing instead of the damage. 185 + 0.3*AP is the first hit. lets call that term X the second hit is healing, we ignore this for damage purposes, but its essentially: (230 + 0.5*AP)(0.85 * 0.00075*AP) Let's call that last term, (0.85 * 0.00075*AP), Y. that last part is the exponential scaling that again is multiplied for damage. @800 AP, we're doing: first bounce: 185 + 240 = 425 second bou: some healing*(1.45) third bounc : (185 + 240)(1.45)(1.45) = 893.5625 = 1318 damage when adding first and third damage bounce so, we have X + X(Y)^2 = X(1+Y^2) (185 + 0.3*AP) + (185 + 0.3AP)(0.85 + 0.00075*AP)^2 = (185+0.3AP)(1+(0.85 + 0.00075*AP)^2) = 425(1+(1.45)^2 = 1318.5625 = damage done. subtract out the base damage and divide by our AP to get our AP ratio @800 AP: (1318.5625 - 370)/800 = 1.1857 // SEE EDIT. the -370 should be 342.25, leading to a 1.22 AP Ratio so our final AP RATIO FORMULA FOR NAMI W: {[(185 + 0.3*AP) + (185 + 0.3AP)(0.85 + 0.00075*AP)^2] - 370}/AP //replace this 370 with 185*1.7225 = ?????!?!? edit: still not quite right. 0 AP is giving me a negative ratio because the 3rd bounce is doing less than 185. 370 is not the base damage. awkward. subtract 185*17225 instead or 370 to give the true base damage(leading to an even higher perceived AP ratio. -370 sets our "0" at 200 AP, which is breakeven. 318.6625 sets our 0 at 0 AP, which makes sense for an AP ratio. {[(185 + 0.3*AP)(1+(0.85 + 0.00075*AP)^2)] - (318.6625)} / AP = AP RATIO! 1 AP ~ 0.75 AP Ratio 200 AP ~ 0.86 AP Ratio 300 AP ~ 0.91 AP Ratio 400 AP ~ 0.97 AP Ratio // 0.97425 +0.06384375 500 AP ~ 1.04 AP Ratio // 1.03809375 + 0.6721875 600 AP ~ 1.11 AP Ratio // 1.1053125 + 0.07059375 700 AP ~ 1.18 AP Ratio // 1.17590625 800 AP ~ 1.22 AP Ratio ... ... 10,000 AP ~ 22.5 AP Ratio Conclusion: Veigar needs Nami's W. FUCK EVERYTHING. I calculated the healing, not the damage, for 1st + 3rd bounce combined. =============================================================================== [(230 + 0.5*AP) + (230+0.5*AP)(0.85 + 0.00075*AP)^2 - 396.175) / AP ] for damage 1 AP = 1.16 AP Ratio 100 AP ~ 1.23 AP Ratio 200 AP ~ 1.32 AP Ratio 300 AP ~ 1.41 AP Ratio 400 AP ~ 1.51 AP Ratio 500 AP ~ 1.61 AP Ratio 600 AP ~ 1.72 AP Ratio ... ... 800 AP ~ 1.95 AP Ratio ... ... ... ... 10,000 AP ~ 36.95 AP Ratio Veigar still wants Nami's W. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
This channel is so fucking good | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On April 04 2015 02:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYe6EUIl93aagA-rj44ebg This channel is so fucking good Even with all this, Riv is still the second best Rito NA caster. | ||
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General_Winter
United States719 Posts
Healing is 185 base with a 30% ratio and damage is 230 base with a 50% ratio so at 800 AP you have First hit is (230 + 0.5*AP) = 630 damage Second hit is (185+0.3AP) * 1.45 = 616 worth of heal Third hit is (230 + 0.5*AP) *1.45*1.45 = 1325 damage so total damage is 1975 That translates to an effective ratio of 1.89 or 2.18 depending on if you subtract the base damage once or twice. And that's counting the healing as being worth nothing, but in fact healing an ally for 600 is nothing to sneeze at. Plus that ratio is on a point and click ability that can't miss. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On April 04 2015 02:41 General_Winter wrote: That's pretty much right but a few details are off. Healing is 185 base with a 30% ratio and damage is 230 base with a 50% ratio so at 800 AP you have First hit is (230 + 0.5*AP) = 630 damage Second hit is (185+0.3AP) * 1.45 = 616 worth of heal Third hit is (230 + 0.5*AP) *1.45*1.45 = 1325 damage so total damage is 1975 That translates to an effective ratio of 1.89 or 2.18 depending on if you subtract the base damage once or twice. And that's counting the healing as being worth nothing, but in fact healing an ally for 600 is nothing to sneeze at. Plus that ratio is on a point and click ability that can't miss. i hate my life. you know I have to redo this now. Thanks for pointing that out, fixed now. the ratio ends up being somewhere in the middle because that 185 is subtracted out 1.7225 times 185 and 185(0.85*0.85) | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/h0kmo/986710564a.jpg) | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
the 65 chime upgrade seems overtuned for a close game idk | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On April 04 2015 05:03 57 Corvette wrote: So someone posted this in the post-game chat of one of my games, does anyone know what program/site its from? + Show Spoiler + pretty sure that's lolskill | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On April 03 2015 22:50 General_Winter wrote: Nami's W scales cubicly, so once you start getting to high AP 400+ it has by far the best scaling of any spell). This seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. It has the "best scaling" in terms of effective AP ratio perhaps, but probably not in terms of endgame dps. For single target non-ultimate point-and-click abilities though I definitely can't think of anything better. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On April 04 2015 02:28 Zergneedsfood wrote: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYe6EUIl93aagA-rj44ebg This channel is so fucking good This is pretty great stuff. HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
On April 04 2015 06:58 GolemMadness wrote: This is pretty great stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=259-_Ud8ZZk HOLY SHIT WHAT IS THIS This is my new guilty pleasure. Like holy shit I can't believe he used to be even worse. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 04 2015 08:06 kongoline wrote: is jinx overtuned ? i swear majority of my games jinx snowball and end up carrying team with ridiculous score Nah, just a hypercarry. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
"19 to 6 on the kills as they continue to chock up... those... just getting it!" | ||
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