EPT[Patch 5.6] More Lasers General Discussion - Page 28
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
And just general tips, don't be afraid to go all in when learning a new champ so you learn the limits, be hard on yourself for screwing up lasthitting, stuff like that. Personally what got me to plat 1 was the simple realization that it's not worth to trade a kill for a death (unless possibly if it's shutdown-gold). Good lasthitting and generally aiming to stay alive and farm/exp rather than making sick plays does a whole lot. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:16 Slayer91 wrote: you're bad so you're not winning many more games than you lose so helpful thank you On April 02 2015 00:19 Osmoses wrote: Just grinding games rarely helps you get better at anything that isn't strictly mechanical. Read a guide, can't give you a specific link but there are a couple that just focus on the mindset of improving. Like, don't even begin to blame your team, just look at what you could have done differently, keep tabs on how ahead/behind you generally are throughout the games and if you can pinpoint recurring mistakes, etc. And just general tips, don't be afraid to go all in when learning a new champ so you learn the limits, be hard on yourself for screwing up lasthitting, stuff like that. Personally what got me to plat 1 was the simple realization that it's not worth to trade a kill for a death (unless possibly if it's shutdown-gold). Good lasthitting and generally aiming to stay alive and farm/exp rather than making sick plays does a whole lot. Yeah I've been working on the allinning thing, just trying to play more aggressively in lane (since I main adc it's very opposite of what I've been doing ie passive farming) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
its the most important thing you need to realize to get better zz | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:40 Slayer91 wrote: the concept of grinding implies that you already have what it takes to rank up and are just "waiting out" luck when in reality you're actually roughly as good as your current elo and wont admit it its the most important thing you need to realize to get better zz I'm extremely critical of my own play actually, but good assuming you know what I'm thinking. On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote: so what? the fact that you are not making high gains means your mmr and your actual elo are very similar and the fact that you are playing 10-15 games daily and not ranking up means you aren't any better than your mmr most people in liek challenger and shit have 100-150 games so thats like 2 weeks under the amount you play Your point being? You have yet to address any of what I've said and instead are just posting about how bad I am. While I appreciate the attempt, you're not helping in the slightest. And I've already said that this is where I plateau, I'm asking for help/advice in what I can do to get better. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
most people in liek challenger and shit have 100-150 games so thats like 2 weeks under the amount you play if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not On April 02 2015 00:42 las91 wrote: I'm extremely critical of my own play actually, but good assuming you know what I'm thinking. Your point being? You have yet to address any of what I've said and instead are just posting about how bad I am. While I appreciate the attempt, you're not helping in the slightest. i addressed everything you said except directly "is the push to diamond grinding games out?" which obviously depends on how good you are because some peopel will never get diamond and some people will get it in 20 games which is why I said you were bad because getting better is the only way you'll reach diamond quickly and staying the same will keep you in your elo | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote: so what? the fact that you are not making high gains means your mmr and your actual elo are very similar and the fact that you are playing 10-15 games daily and not ranking up means you aren't any better than your mmr most people in liek challenger and shit have 100-150 games so thats like 2 weeks under the amount you play if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not i addressed everything you said except directly "is the push to diamond grinding games out?" which obviously depends on how good you are because some peopel will never get diamond and some people will get it in 20 games which is why I said you were bad because getting better is the only way you'll reach diamond quickly and staying the same will keep you in your elo Since this is my first real attempt at pushing through to diamond I was asking about how long it takes people to make the initial climb once they hit Platinum, since it seems that B/S/G were very quick for the majority of people here. I'm not asking how long it takes challenger players because I'm not challenger, I've not implied I'm challenger, and I never said I was good. How obtuse can you actually be? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:52 las91 wrote: Since this is my first real attempt at pushing through to diamond I was asking about how long it takes people to make the initial climb once they hit Platinum, since it seems that B/S/G were very quick for the majority of people here. I'm not asking how long it takes challenger players because I'm not challenger, I've not implied I'm challenger, and I never said I was good. How obtuse can you actually be? You do know who you're talking to, right? | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote: so what? the fact that you are not making high gains means your mmr and your actual elo are very similar and the fact that you are playing 10-15 games daily and not ranking up means you aren't any better than your mmr most people in liek challenger and shit have 100-150 games so thats like 2 weeks under the amount you play if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not i addressed everything you said except directly "is the push to diamond grinding games out?" which obviously depends on how good you are because some peopel will never get diamond and some people will get it in 20 games which is why I said you were bad because getting better is the only way you'll reach diamond quickly and staying the same will keep you in your elo this is wrong actually. an account I took from silver with a 90%+ winrate is still only plat 5 after being 48-5. for reference http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23719198 | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote: if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not Has anyone ever seen a support playing significantly better to an extent that brings 80-90% winrate into diamond? I don't mean a support main playing other roles, I mean a support playing as a traditional support. I'm not sure that is possible (but i'm not convinced it is impossible either). | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:06 Prog wrote: Has anyone ever seen a support playing significantly better to an extent that brings 80-90% winrate into diamond? I don't mean a support main playing other roles, I mean a support playing as a traditional support. I'm not sure that is possible (but i'm not convinced it is impossible either). I've seen a lot of Annie supports just 1v5, and a lot of Treshes singlehandedly carry their team to victory, so I think it should be possible. Especially if you duo. Also, about the climb to Diamond, you just gotta improve. For a long time I thought I belonged in Diamond while I was in Plat (about 6 months), but then I improved and got Diamond pretty fast. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
I had like 90% win rate over the weekend although its variance its just because I mostly played well and on champs I'm good at and got carried when i picked jax thne i started playing dumbster and went on a loss streak but its mostly bad play and not luck support might be a be it different but we'd need a good player to play only support to test it On April 02 2015 01:04 VayneAuthority wrote: this is wrong actually. an account I took from silver with a 90%+ winrate is still only plat 5 after being 48-5. for reference http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/23719198 this account was silver 5 stabilized though its different from when you can jump up or down really high I reckon 48-5 is enough to get to challenger if your MMR is skyrocketing enough On April 02 2015 00:52 las91 wrote: Since this is my first real attempt at pushing through to diamond I was asking about how long it takes people to make the initial climb once they hit Platinum, since it seems that B/S/G were very quick for the majority of people here. I'm not asking how long it takes challenger players because I'm not challenger, I've not implied I'm challenger, and I never said I was good. How obtuse can you actually be? i'm not being obtuse at all. how long it takes to get to diamond is entirely dependent on how good you play. Why are you asking questions with obvious answers? Unless you're under the assumption that you deserve to be in diamond and you just need to play enough games that the luck doesn't matter (so at 60%consistent winrate it might be 50 games or whatever) which I what I assumed since otherwise it's a trivial question. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: This is veering dangerously close to the (banned) Elo hell topic. Be warned. I wasn't asking about ELO hell I'm asking about how I can work to improve from where I'm at | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:12 AlterKot wrote: So are you saying there are no games you can't win teut? Or that they are very, very rare? He's saying 1/5 are unwinnable, which is correct from my experience. If you look at ELO boosters they often achieve 90% winrates. | ||
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