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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On April 01 2015 06:20 RagequitBM wrote: Added my support after a good game to tell them that they were really good, and they immediately said fuck off and deleted me  Why won't anyone dance with me??Years of trauma induced by verbal abuse has made every support and jungle mains hate everyone on their team. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:13 Slayer91 wrote: i think that's just confirmation bias feel is pretty random could be | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
i think what originally made me try 1x AS quint was seeing it on a decent amount of korean pro ADC rune pages, but this was a long time ago. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote: For pure dps, isn't BT better than blade post IE+PF/shiv? I think this is one of those cases where people need to open their minds to what is ideal for the situation as opposed to ideal for the champion. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote: For pure dps, isn't BT better than blade post IE+PF/shiv? Depends on HP of what you hit. I'm not sure if it would be more DPS for continually autoing one target from one hundred to zero though. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:46 Gahlo wrote: I think this is one of those cases where people need to open their minds to what is ideal for the situation as opposed to ideal for the champion. I was simply talking about, what I think is a misconception (but the math may have changed at some point), that Blade is some sort of tank busting item. I've understood that IE and LW are the items that actually do the most work against tanks (even though they also do great on squishies), and that Blade is a great 1 or 2 item DPS option that also has real value for self peel/chase. Its possible that this is changed since the Blade passive went from 5% to 8%, and IE has less crit now, but I know it was true right after they changed BT to the shield option. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
You can't just say one is better than the other, gotta give specific circumstances. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote: For pure dps, isn't BT better than blade post IE+PF/shiv? The answer is "Kind of". Since the proc damage was increased and since the BT total AD was decreased its very unlikely that you're going to do more with BT unless you have a lot of free AS or a lot of AD scaling. The main concern you have with BotRK is how soon the increased DPS can compensate for the lower burst(for champions that have burst) E.G. Ashe with IE,PD,LW,BT will do 876 DPS. With BotRK she will do about 878 DPS BEFORE the proc. (she is still probably better with BT overall due to the auto-crit and W meaning that BotRk almost never catches up: note that i am not figuring the effect of AS quints, that will make BT a bit better but not enough to make BotRK the lower DPS choice i could but am too lazy to go figure it) BUT if it means you can forgo a full defensive item for your 5th non-boot slot and get scimitar then it is by quite a good margin. This is because the shield from BT combines with the MR and cleanse from scimitar to be, effectively, a Banshee's Veil in terms of defense. But you're 135 AD up for BT+Scimitar compared to BotRK + BV. This is especially important when you're just sitting on QSS because BT + QSS is 4750 gold. Which would buy you only BV, Cutlass, and a Dagger BT is, in general a much more defensive item than BotRK, with the shield it essentially has 400 HP on it. And its got double the lifesteal with similar amounts of pure auto attack DPS so your ability to sustain against a tank is a lot higher. So, if you go for BT you get your defensive core up a lot faster, and have a stronger lategame in exchange for a lower initial DPS. If you got BotRK you get your DPS up faster in exchange for a much weaker lategame and slower defensive core. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
I played him two games, won both and won bot both times. I dunno, he feels balanced on the razors edge of poo and OP depending on a few numbers (range), and team coordination. I made some pretty cool plays. Laning wasn't too bad so far, wait for good stuns to disengage. I don't leave lane unless there is nothing to do. The ult seems like it could be borderline broken for picks, 2.5 second stun from 1500 range if you use it on mid lane or before a gank. Especially with a skillshot mid like velkoz on your side, if you fire it its a guaranteed kill or flash. Really long range use is basically a complete waste of time, the travel time is stupidly high. The ult can be good in teamfights, can be bad, it seems like its by far the best just as a pick tool, and you can't fuck it up. So I almost use it exclusively for that. His scaling is basically nonexistant, so that actually frees you up to build pretty tanky and just max CDR. I went frost queen/sightstone into frozen heart/randuins. I forgot righteous glory existed or I would have gone that. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Its just that the power of BT+Scimitar is hard to get around since, even if they're not the most gold efficient items, they're still the largest amount of raw stats. BT+Scimiar is 7300 gold of stats. BotRK + BV is 5950. Because BotRK doesn't have any HP on it and has pretty poor sustain you can't really afford to not buy a pure defensive item with it. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On April 01 2015 09:10 sob3k wrote: Huh, Bard. I played him two games, won both and won bot both times. I dunno, he feels balanced on the razors edge of poo and OP depending on a few numbers (range), and team coordination. I made some pretty cool plays. Laning wasn't too bad so far, wait for good stuns to disengage. I don't leave lane unless there is nothing to do. The ult seems like it could be borderline broken for picks, 2.5 second stun from 1500 range if you use it on mid lane or before a gank. Especially with a skillshot mid like velkoz on your side, if you fire it its a guaranteed kill or flash. Really long range use is basically a complete waste of time, the travel time is stupidly high. The ult can be good in teamfights, can be bad, it seems like its by far the best just as a pick tool, and you can't fuck it up. So I almost use it exclusively for that. His scaling is basically nonexistant, so that actually frees you up to build pretty tanky and just max CDR. I went frost queen/sightstone into frozen heart/randuins. I forgot righteous glory existed or I would have gone that. I'm a big fan of Poohmandu's build on Bard, which is Spellthief start (double procs on meep autos) into Glory and Talisman. You catch someone with your ult and pop both speed boosts (and W a carry for added effect) and just steamroll them. Extra synergy points with Hecarim. Something like Talisman, Glory, Frozen Heart, boots of choice (I'm actually not a huge fan of mobis because, although Bard roams alot, it's really shitty when you get clipped by a minion or a skillshot and suddenly you're slow as fuck). Rest is situational imo. Locket/Banner good if you don't mind overcapping cdr. Zzrot Banner splitpush Bard is strong. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 01 2015 09:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I'm a big fan of Poohmandu's build on Bard, which is Spellthief start (double procs on meep autos) into Glory and Talisman. You catch someone with your ult and pop both speed boosts (and W a carry for added effect) and just steamroll them. Extra synergy points with Hecarim. Something like Talisman, Glory, Frozen Heart, boots of choice (I'm actually not a huge fan of mobis because, although Bard roams alot, it's really shitty when you get clipped by a minion or a skillshot and suddenly you're slow as fuck). Rest is situational imo. Locket/Banner good if you don't mind overcapping cdr. Zzrot Banner splitpush Bard is strong. Glory suxlol on Bard, because every jungler gets it nowdays and getting more glories in team is bad idea. Spellthief into sightstone/mobilities/talisman/oracles and you're good to go, you have to get locket because jungler needs to get glory/thornmail/frozen heart/warmogs, then it's whatever, game usually ends. Bard's early laning is underestimated, even less than his enhanced AA's with slows after he collects enough chimes. You have enough range to trade + ad marks/ap quints make it smoother. Worst part of Bard is fucking ult, it's slower than DarkWinJax's desire to improve his behaviour in soloqueue. I wish they could buff it slightly at least, because it's just frustrating sometimes. Also his enhanced aas proc spellshields ~_~ Shackleshots op though, Bard might not be a gingerhead girl, but I'm ok with it. :> | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
The one thing about his kit that will always hold him back are his chimes. They encourage him to leave lane. The earlier you leave lane, the faster you can stack, since the more stacks you have the faster chimes appear on the map. They should change the mechanic so the longer the game goes on for, the faster chimes spawn. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On April 01 2015 09:49 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Glory suxlol on Bard, because every jungler gets it nowdays and getting more glories in team is bad idea. Spellthief into sightstone/mobilities/talisman/oracles and you're good to go, you have to get locket because jungler needs to get glory/thornmail/frozen heart/warmogs, then it's whatever, game usually ends. And if your jungler is Lee Sin, Reksai, or just doesn't build it? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:22 Jek wrote: Years of trauma induced by verbal abuse has made every support and jungle mains hate everyone on their team. hotshotgg confirmed. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Added to that, Botrk is one of a small list of items that ADC build that has a sweet build path for a first item. | ||
739
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:35 loSleb wrote: I noticed they buffed Aatrox this patch so I'm gonna start playing him again. Hopefully I won't ragequit him this time so I can tell you guys how to play him and why he is the best champion ingame. (Also 739 already took the icon QQ) Woot ! Aatrox used to be my main for top lane and jungle in S4 ! Also Mecha Aatrox skin <3 <3 <3 | ||
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