EPTAnd when talking about late game, Irelia stopped 100-0ing squishies awhile ago, and Aatrox has more than just BotRK. Of course you don't go 3 damage items then try and burst people 1v5, you get your BotRK then full tank.
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
And when talking about late game, Irelia stopped 100-0ing squishies awhile ago, and Aatrox has more than just BotRK. Of course you don't go 3 damage items then try and burst people 1v5, you get your BotRK then full tank. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:06 Slayer91 wrote: aatrox is way less useful lategame with the same damage items wtf you need at least a botrk to do anything and even then its meh while irelia one shots people with just trinity the whole thing about 50% attack speed isthat it sucks if you don't have items to do lots of damage per hit and stick to targets if you have 1k dmg ult and 75 true damage you just need some attack speed and stickiness and most peopel dont worry about the attack speed and just go trinity tank problem with aatrox engage is that he is naturally very squishy because of his passive so he doesn't live too long and when he uses up his passive he loses tons of attack speed too he's not that suited for being bursted down that much because his W healing relies on living more than 3 hits lol I played Aatrox the other day and I feel very similar. I DUMPED wukong in lane. Went 5/2 or something. Took two towers. Had most CS, most kills, showed up in teamfights hit EQR botrked autoed a couple times and then just died. Meanqhile the 1/6 wukong jumped into the team with ult and destroyed. I dunno. I felt soooo strong in lane and then came teamfights and it was like my advantage meant nothing. Obviously I could have done a lot of things better, but Ionno. I almost felt like not being with my team and just taking towers would have been better, but then why not Tryndamere? It almost felt like the 1 damage item into tank didn't feel right. I wasn't tanky enough AND I didn't do enough damage. I saw an aatrox once go hydra and botrk into tank and while he was still squishy, the damage and lifesteal let him stay alive longer. I might try him again, but I dunno how I would build him. Maybe straight cdr tank? His knockup at max cdr is 7 sec cd which isn't bad. But it is actually pretty small as to where the knockup is. It's also super easy to stop it with a flay or other similar knockback/displacement abilities. I like playing Aatrox though. I just am REALLY bad at using the advantage I get from him. And it feels like you have to push that advantage soooo much harder than other champs. Any Aatrox advice would be awesome though. Was considering jungling him as well. tidE: I think I could have roamed mid a lot more actually. I was killing wukong everytime he came top lane or at least shoving it to tower and making him back. I could have def roamed mid and gotten them fed. But yeah, lvl 3 all in with Aatrox is almost always a kill. Don't even need ignite. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:35 loSleb wrote: I noticed they buffed Aatrox this patch so I'm gonna start playing him again. Hopefully I won't ragequit him this time so I can tell you guys how to play him and why he is the best champion ingame. (Also 739 already took the icon QQ) Please let me know what you do and have success with. I really enjoy playing him and seeing as I only play Diana, could really use for another champion in my pool. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:25 JonGalt wrote: It almost felt like the 1 damage item into tank didn't feel right. If you're going to get one offensive item on AAtrox it should be Hydra. You don't make use of the BotRK attack speed well due to the fact that you have AS on your passive and Ult. The normal lifesteal on Hydra is much larger than BotRK because of a) 20% more raw amount, b) more of the damage is in the auto attack portion c) AoE. You have a slow and a knockup already, so you don't gain as much chasing from the BotRK active. You actually have decent AD ratio's so you gain comparatively more damage from the hydra. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
The most recent PBE patch. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:18 Alaric wrote: I was talking about splitpushing (emphasis on the pushing part) when I mentioned the passive's AS, since Irelia takes awhile to kill waves without her ult. And when talking about late game, Irelia stopped 100-0ing squishies awhile ago, and Aatrox has more than just BotRK. Of course you don't go 3 damage items then try and burst people 1v5, you get your BotRK then full tank. since when does irelia stop 100-0ing squishies lol trinity irelia does a lot more than botrk aatrox | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:49 Goumindong wrote: If you're going to get one offensive item on AAtrox it should be Hydra. You don't make use of the BotRK attack speed well due to the fact that you have AS on your passive and Ult. The normal lifesteal on Hydra is much larger than BotRK because of a) 20% more raw amount, b) more of the damage is in the auto attack portion c) AoE. You have a slow and a knockup already, so you don't gain as much chasing from the BotRK active. You actually have decent AD ratio's so you gain comparatively more damage from the hydra. Aight, I will give that a shot then. I have heard mixed opinions on both. I do feel like Hydra always went better for me though. Been a minute since I did Hydra Aatrox though. But that's next on my agenda now! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:33 cLutZ wrote: Aatrox has ranged farming (with a slow) and no mana. He was nerfed because those two things used to make him almost impossible to shut down in lane, and he used to be abusively strong when ahead (like Irelia). The current patch has given me a renewed faith in Riot's ability to balance the game, but IMO one of the reasons for that is they have shoved out manaless bruisers, who are very oppressive by design. Ranged farming means jack shit, the issue in lane was his huge sustain that made him very hard to kill even with ignite and impossible to deal with without kill pressure (like Vlad, 'cept Vlad is way worse because ranged). Hydra is better for teamfights because it heals more than BotRK, which in turn is better for splitpushing and stuff. Edit: Irelia stop 100-0ing people when they get enough levels (since she doesn't scale that much damage-wise once she has Trinity and level 11) and HP, eg. levels, defensive items, allies ranking up shield abilities or buying AP, or having heals, etc. Irelia's damage isn't that great without W, so if she can't kill you in these 6 seconds she'll have trouble finishing you off, and as the game goes on it's easier and easier to survive said 6 seconds. I didn't say Aatrox dealt more damage late game, but that he could get tankier than Irelia with their typical builds, and he had more impact, especially against a team with peeling. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:33 cLutZ wrote: Aatrox has ranged farming (with a slow) and no mana. He was nerfed because those two things used to make him almost impossible to shut down in lane, and he used to be abusively strong when ahead (like Irelia). The current patch has given me a renewed faith in Riot's ability to balance the game, but IMO one of the reasons for that is they have shoved out manaless bruisers, who are very oppressive by design. wtf i don't remember aatrox being nerfed in any significant way | ||
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
Passive attack speed changed to 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 / 55% from 50% flat. Blades of Torment.png Blades of Torment Base damage reduced to 75 / 110 / 145 / 180 / 215 from 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
Shen Stand United (R) cooldown reduced to 180/150/120 from 200/180/160 welcome back old friend. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'd much rather have somebody else TP in with a real ult than Shen ult in. I guess the upside to the buff is being able to ult to fights twice as often as people can TP? | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On April 01 2015 04:13 Ketara wrote: I feel like the big problem with Shen isn't so much his ult cd, but more that Shen+Ignite isn't as strong as somebody else+Teleport. I'd much rather have somebody else TP in with a real ult than Shen ult in. I guess the upside to the buff is being able to ult to fights twice as often as people can TP? Why is Shen taking ignite? Just give him teleport too and watch the rotatos. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Idk that's my read | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On April 01 2015 04:20 RagequitBM wrote: I think it'd be kinda cool if when shen teleported in it would cause some form of CC around the person he ulted in on when he arrived. It'd be cool if they gave the person he teleported to a MS bonus. The biggest problem with Shen ult, that I experience, is ulting in a little too late. They always ult when their target is already safe or too far away to reengage. It'd be great if it gave the person Shen ulted to the MS boost and absolutely force the enemy to deal with this Shen ult. Reducing the ult cd on this isn't the have all end all. Thank god they reverted Mundo ult cd and the Nidalee heal cd. I totally agree with Nidalee's hp stats getting nerfed, but the heal cd is just a stupid overkill change. Evelynn... why did they revert your passive ms boost. WHY!!!! | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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