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On April 02 2015 01:14 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 01:06 Prog wrote:On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote:
if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not Has anyone ever seen a support playing significantly better to an extent that brings 80-90% winrate into diamond? I don't mean a support main playing other roles, I mean a support playing as a traditional support. I'm not sure that is possible (but i'm not convinced it is impossible either). I've seen a lot of Annie supports just 1v5, and a lot of Treshes singlehandedly carry their team to victory, so I think it should be possible. Especially if you duo. Also, about the climb to Diamond, you just gotta improve. For a long time I thought I belonged in Diamond while I was in Plat (about 6 months), but then I improved and got Diamond pretty fast.
Duoing is kinda cheating in this regard though. Would be really interesting to see a pro support try this for once. Just soloqueue alone with traditional supports into diamond. I can see it working with full ap supports more easily than with more "supporty" supports. Can you imagine a Soraka with 80-90% winrate? I find that very hard to imagine.
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Should probably just pick Blitz or AP supports every game. Taric might not be the best support to carry solo  .
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On April 02 2015 01:12 AlterKot wrote:
So are you saying there are no games you can't win teut? Or that they are very, very rare?
Have you seen challenger players rank up their smurf? They win close to 95% of their games, and that's all while playing troll picks to keep their viewers entertained.
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On April 02 2015 01:21 loSleb wrote:Should probably just pick Blitz or AP supports every game. Taric might not be the best support to carry solo .
Just wait. I'll prove you wrong.
+ Show Spoiler +not by carrying with taric, but by neither carrying with Blitz and AP supports as well
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 02 2015 01:28 Prog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 01:21 loSleb wrote:Should probably just pick Blitz or AP supports every game. Taric might not be the best support to carry solo . Just wait. I'll prove you wrong. + Show Spoiler +not by carrying with taric, but by neither carrying with Blitz and AP supports as well
I know the cure.
+ Show Spoiler +Janna every game until you die.
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On April 02 2015 01:20 Prog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 01:14 Fildun wrote:On April 02 2015 01:06 Prog wrote:On April 02 2015 00:45 Slayer91 wrote:
if you play significantly better than your mmr you can win like 80-90% of games and rank up to diamond in 20 games or something but you're clearly not Has anyone ever seen a support playing significantly better to an extent that brings 80-90% winrate into diamond? I don't mean a support main playing other roles, I mean a support playing as a traditional support. I'm not sure that is possible (but i'm not convinced it is impossible either). I've seen a lot of Annie supports just 1v5, and a lot of Treshes singlehandedly carry their team to victory, so I think it should be possible. Especially if you duo. Also, about the climb to Diamond, you just gotta improve. For a long time I thought I belonged in Diamond while I was in Plat (about 6 months), but then I improved and got Diamond pretty fast. Duoing is kinda cheating in this regard though. Would be really interesting to see a pro support try this for once. Just soloqueue alone with traditional supports into diamond. I can see it working with full ap supports more easily than with more "supporty" supports. Can you imagine a Soraka with 80-90% winrate? I find that very hard to imagine.
It is definitely doable.Is it as consistent or easy as doing in other roles?Definitely not.
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If you're looking for arithmetic:
lets assume you're plat 3 0 LP and +/- 10 lp a game
at 60% winrate every 10 games you win 6 lose 4 so you gain 20 points
that means you need 52 games to get a rank up, like 160 games to get to diamond if you win your promos
at 80% winrate every 10 games you win 8 lose 2 so you gain 60 points
in 20 games you'll win 12 which is enough to get into the next division
so you triple your climb which is why a lot of people notice when they start improving they get ranked up almost instantly in comparison
as for supports, the whole thing about "supporty" supports is buying support items doesn't make you effective as champion, it makes other champions effective, making bad players more effective may be less effective than making yourself stronger
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On April 01 2015 16:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay AP shaco + zzrot portal is just fucking mean. rofl. spam boxes to protect zzrot portal, watch 4 people try to dive your portal, and you, and watch them melt.
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On April 02 2015 02:35 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2015 16:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay AP shaco + zzrot portal is just fucking mean. rofl. spam boxes to protect zzrot portal, watch 4 people try to dive your portal, and you, and watch them melt.
i'm surprised how few people ban it, it's so lulz.
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On April 02 2015 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 02:35 lilwisper wrote:On April 01 2015 16:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay AP shaco + zzrot portal is just fucking mean. rofl. spam boxes to protect zzrot portal, watch 4 people try to dive your portal, and you, and watch them melt. i'm surprised how few people ban it, it's so lulz.
I assume you must be a top lane to pull this off? Jungle Shaco wouldn't have the proper farm to start this?
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Urgod is hilarious in URF lol.
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On April 02 2015 02:51 lilwisper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:On April 02 2015 02:35 lilwisper wrote:On April 01 2015 16:31 wei2coolman wrote:
Okay AP shaco + zzrot portal is just fucking mean. rofl. spam boxes to protect zzrot portal, watch 4 people try to dive your portal, and you, and watch them melt. i'm surprised how few people ban it, it's so lulz. I assume you must be a top lane to pull this off? Jungle Shaco wouldn't have the proper farm to start this?
oh, i wasn't clear, i was talking about urf. lol.
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On April 02 2015 01:22 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 01:12 AlterKot wrote:
So are you saying there are no games you can't win teut? Or that they are very, very rare? Have you seen challenger players rank up their smurf? They win close to 95% of their games, and that's all while playing troll picks to keep their viewers entertained.
Because challenger players playing below Diamond 1 means anything due to the massive skill gap.
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it means that if you play well enough you win they don't have any magical powers
its important because its not the same in say hearthstone where if you play a good deck a scrub might beat a pro like 40% of the time
in starcraft a pro wins 100% of the time
in league your solo q win/loss range based on skill is closer to 5-95% assuming you literally just dont afk at the start
so questions like how long to get to diamond is just based on how often you're going to win and if your MMR has stabilized with no changes you'd expect to never reach diamond
of course because of human factors people can improve even if they were the same for 200 games in a row
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On April 02 2015 02:09 Slayer91 wrote:
If you're looking for arithmetic:
lets assume you're plat 3 0 LP and +/- 10 lp a game
at 60% winrate every 10 games you win 6 lose 4 so you gain 20 points
that means you need 52 games to get a rank up, like 160 games to get to diamond if you win your promos
at 80% winrate every 10 games you win 8 lose 2 so you gain 60 points
in 20 games you'll win 12 which is enough to get into the next division
so you triple your climb which is why a lot of people notice when they start improving they get ranked up almost instantly in comparison
as for supports, the whole thing about "supporty" supports is buying support items doesn't make you effective as champion, it makes other champions effective, making bad players more effective may be less effective than making yourself stronger
This math is pretty off because of LP +/- differences. When I broke through a plateau and won 66% of my games I ranked up in about 12 games or so.
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On April 02 2015 03:31 Slayer91 wrote:
in starcraft a pro wins 100% of the time
nope, a scrub would have like 15% chance against pro if he/she gets lucky with his cheese.
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but I made those assumptions to begin with
the math isn't wrong the assumptions can be wrong
but assuming you have a stable MMR you expect +/- to be about the same
On April 02 2015 03:38 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2015 03:31 Slayer91 wrote:
in starcraft a pro wins 100% of the time
nope, a scrub would have like 15% chance against pro if he/she gets lucky with his cheese.
are you serious
fucking PROFESSIONAL GAMERS have tried every cheese in the book and have failed in the best possible scenarios against people like flash and jaedong
you think a scrub would have any chance whatsoever?
like amateur koreans used to easily get like 80-0 scores on foreigner ladders and they were against the best scrubs around
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i think it says a lot about the people who play league of legend, when people build frozen heart in URF mode.
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Even the high lord Flash only won 70% of his games in the only RTS that matters.
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On April 02 2015 03:41 Gahlo wrote:
Even the high lord Flash only won 70% of his games in the only RTS that matters.
against professional gamers
professional gamers who could win 100% of games against nearly any non korean on the planet
that's like bjergsen having a 70% winrate in challenger only solo q
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