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On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps.
I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior?
Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for
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I can't speak for other people, but I wasn't really all that surprised when I heard about the limitation. I'm excited to force our superior western cultural values on them, though :3
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externally bashing isnt that useful though
they just gonna ignore the crazy euros
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On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for
If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all?
A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening.
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He responded exactly to what you wrote, can you explain why you think it's non-relevant?
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On February 06 2015 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:
He responded exactly to what you wrote, can you explain why you think it's non-relevant?
I didn't say it is non-relevant, I said you have to keep it in mind. Understanding why something happens is very far from agreeing with it. Please read and don't put words in my mouth.
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If you say you don't understand why there is any backlash then you are, in fact, saying that there shouldn't be any backlash [in your opinion].
Only worded a bit more PC because we're all about that aren't we.
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On February 06 2015 04:37 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:
He responded exactly to what you wrote, can you explain why you think it's non-relevant? I didn't say it is non-relevant, I said you have to keep it in mind. Understanding why something happens is very far from agreeing with it. Please read and don't put words in my mouth.
Asking people to read doesn't help your communication in any way whatsoever.
Everyone read your post. Nobody is putting any words in your mouth.
Nobody said you were agreeing with it.
You're not the only one who understands things aren't exactly the same as they are in the west.
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Forget it, I'm not getting into this. If you really think what you were responding to is what I in fact said than there's no hope for this discussion. Have fun with your pitchforks.
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On February 06 2015 05:03 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
If you say you don't understand why there is any backlash then you are, in fact, saying that there shouldn't be any backlash [in your opinion].
Only worded a bit more PC because we're all about that aren't we. No, it means I don't understand the extent of the backlash (in this case). Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:On February 06 2015 04:37 Mikau wrote:On February 06 2015 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:
He responded exactly to what you wrote, can you explain why you think it's non-relevant? I didn't say it is non-relevant, I said you have to keep it in mind. Understanding why something happens is very far from agreeing with it. Please read and don't put words in my mouth. Asking people to read doesn't help your communication in any way whatsoever. Everyone read your post. Nobody is putting any words in your mouth. Nobody ssaid you were agreeing with it. If you're saying I think there should be no backlash, that's the same as me agreeing with it. And telling you to read won't help if you refuse to read what I said and respond to that.
I didn't say that you said anything I asked you a question and you accused me of not reading your post.
Your post is clearly not self-evident, so stop acting like it is.
What do you mean the "extent of the backlash"
some white guys saying it's a bad thing isn't a backlash
there has been no riots or anything actually happen to them
On February 06 2015 05:03 Mikau wrote:
Forget it, I'm not getting into this. If you really think what you were responding to is what I in fact said than there's no hope for this discussion. Have fun with your pitchforks.
How about you actually enter the discussion and answer questions and respond to criticism instead of saying "That isn't what I said, please read my post" to everyone who clearly read your post but apparently interpreted the same situation differently.
The point of communication is that everyone understand what you're trying to say, and even if they do understand what you are saying they might offer a point of view on it that's something you didn't think about and so you think they are talking about something else.
On February 06 2015 04:37 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:34 Slayer91 wrote:
He responded exactly to what you wrote, can you explain why you think it's non-relevant? I didn't say it is non-relevant, I said you have to keep it in mind. Understanding why something happens is very far from agreeing with it. Please read and don't put words in my mouth.
You didn't say anything about keeping anything in mind. Scip expressed confusion at your post, specifically about the backlash point, and then you told him in the most passive aggressive way that he should read your post when he clearly fucking read it.
Essentially you're saying you should kept into mind their culture is different and you don't understand the backlash.
Scip addressed this point in the most direct way and then challenged your view that you shouldn't criticize cultures that are backward
I don't necessarily agree with him but you're absolutely achieving nothing by your posts when you could have probably won that point because from what we see culture change does take time and we can't do too much about it directly.
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On February 06 2015 05:03 Mikau wrote:
Forget it, I'm not getting into this. If you really think what you were responding to is what I in fact said than there's no hope for this discussion. Have fun with your pitchforks.
You just seemed very offended about it so I figured it was really important to you.
If you don't want people to "misunderstand" your posts you should word them more carefully.
Since this you are not really on topic anymore, you can PM me with questions about this, I'd be happy to help you into an age of posting clarity and transparency.
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On February 06 2015 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 05:03 Mikau wrote:
Forget it, I'm not getting into this. If you really think what you were responding to is what I in fact said than there's no hope for this discussion. Have fun with your pitchforks. You just seemed very offended about it so I figured it was really important to you. If you don't want people to "misunderstand" your posts you should word them more carefully. Since this you are not really on topic anymore, you can PM me with questions about this, I'd be happy to help you into an age of posting clarity and transparency.
Could you try to be a bit more condescending? You didn't quite nail it yet.
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On February 06 2015 05:12 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 06 2015 05:03 Mikau wrote:
Forget it, I'm not getting into this. If you really think what you were responding to is what I in fact said than there's no hope for this discussion. Have fun with your pitchforks. You just seemed very offended about it so I figured it was really important to you. If you don't want people to "misunderstand" your posts you should word them more carefully. Since this you are not really on topic anymore, you can PM me with questions about this, I'd be happy to help you into an age of posting clarity and transparency. Could you try to be a bit more condescending? You didn't quite nail it yet.
Says the person who accuses everyone of not reading his posts.
Also a very non-relevant and derailing post but then so is mine.
How about you respond to a single fucking point with any form of reason instead of going full ad hominem on everyone who uses the quote button with your name on it.
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Take it to PM, don't derail topic, thanks.
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On February 06 2015 04:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
If you say you don't understand why there is any backlash then you are, in fact, saying that there shouldn't be any backlash [in your opinion].
Only worded a bit more PC because we're all about that aren't we.
That's really not the same thing at all. He didn't say "there shouldn't be any backlash", he said "I don't understand the backlash" followed by clarifying that he meant the extent of the backlash. As in, he agrees that there was an issue, but that the issue wasn't big enough to warrant a shitstorm. That's how I interpreted it at least.
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On February 06 2015 04:33 Mikau wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all? A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening.
I'm sorry but a society that hates gay people is inferior to a society that doesn't. That's just black and white herp derp obvious right there.
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On February 06 2015 08:33 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 04:33 Mikau wrote:On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all? A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening. I'm sorry but a society that hates gay people is inferior to a society that doesn't. That's just black and white herp derp obvious right there.
In the context of the Garena ruling, you might as well claim they hate males as well, due to restrictions.
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On February 06 2015 08:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:33 Ketara wrote:On February 06 2015 04:33 Mikau wrote:On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all? A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening. I'm sorry but a society that hates gay people is inferior to a society that doesn't. That's just black and white herp derp obvious right there. In the context of the Garena ruling, you might as well claim they hate males as well, due to restrictions.
Quoted for truth, the context of all female tournament is important here.
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On February 06 2015 11:46 jupiterstorm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 08:36 wei2coolman wrote:On February 06 2015 08:33 Ketara wrote:On February 06 2015 04:33 Mikau wrote:On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all? A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening. I'm sorry but a society that hates gay people is inferior to a society that doesn't. That's just black and white herp derp obvious right there. In the context of the Garena ruling, you might as well claim they hate males as well, due to restrictions. Quoted for truth, the context of all female tournament is important here.
Afaik Garena doesn't host a LBGT tournament.
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On February 06 2015 11:59 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 11:46 jupiterstorm wrote:On February 06 2015 08:36 wei2coolman wrote:On February 06 2015 08:33 Ketara wrote:On February 06 2015 04:33 Mikau wrote:On February 05 2015 21:46 Scip wrote:On February 05 2015 19:52 Mikau wrote:
This seems like a well intentioned, but horribly phrased and executed ruling. I honestly don't get the backlash over it.
Especially when you take into account that in that region of the world the LGBT community is less accepted culturally in the first place. It's not right, but you can't expect them to skip a few steps of LGBT acceptance just because we as the western world already passed those steps. I don't get it, you're saying we shouldn't create backlash just because their society is inferior? Inferior societies and terrible decisions associated with them is exactly what backlash was made for If you're not going to bother reading what I wrote and instead respond to something completely different, why respond at all? A society isn't inferior just because it doesn't have western values (yet) and there's a big difference between "I don't understand the backlash" and "no backlash whatsoever is warranted". This was obviously a well intentioned ruling to support the female scene, though it was poorly worded and executed (especially the part about 'gays'). We also have to understand the fact that they're what you call an "inferior society", just like you understand why your grandfather who fought in WW2 is racist towards Germans, even though you disagree with it and it isn't accepted by today's standards. Knowing and understanding why something happens is not the same as saying you should accept it happening. I'm sorry but a society that hates gay people is inferior to a society that doesn't. That's just black and white herp derp obvious right there. In the context of the Garena ruling, you might as well claim they hate males as well, due to restrictions. Quoted for truth, the context of all female tournament is important here. Afaik Garena doesn't host a LBGT tournament.
they do host a tournament that doesn't have these restriction.
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