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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
February 05 2015 19:16 GMT
#821
10/10

Would space again.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 05 2015 19:20 GMT
#822
That's actually still really bad lol.

On February 06 2015 02:36 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 14:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:30 TheHumanSensation wrote:
If I get ahead as Shen and need to carry, what's a good offensive item (better than sunfire / thornmail)?


#longliveionianspark
#longliveatmasimpaler
Botrk is actually decent enough, if you want something between stacking 4th hundred armor or 3rd hundred magic resist.

On February 05 2015 14:47 lilwisper wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:35 lilwisper wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:30 TheHumanSensation wrote:
If I get ahead as Shen and need to carry, what's a good offensive item (better than sunfire / thornmail)?


I have seen folks build triforce for Shen mostly.

triforce is such a nice single item for shen, but I feel if you get it, it's such an expensive item that you'd have to be like 3-4 kills ahead in lane for you to buy it without falling behind in your defensive scaling, and your overall utility. Which is hugely problematic since shen usually just aims to go even in lane anyways, rarely does he ever get a lane where he smashes. The time you do get ahead, is usually your midgame ulti contributions, and by then you already have boots + 2 defensive items, and building 3rd item triforce takes forever, and is a huge pain in the ass.


It is expensive, but doesn't the build path allow decent flexibility? It's not like building a IE or Deathcap where you have to wait for a huge sum before you even finish part of the build. Then again with most of the defensive items getting paths from their little cousins (especially now that ruby leads to belt) wouldn't it be best to keep on the defensive stacking?


Components are kinda useless on Shen, noone will in good mind start him with sheen, for example, because when you compare someone like Malphite with casual sheen and Shen, Shen loses a lot there.

Phage sounds cool on paper but you won't buy casual phage in beginning of game either, ultying somewhere just to die sounds bad.
Zeal is even worse.

Frozen mallet might be good on Shen, but it's so freaking expensive for so little profit that it sucks as well.


Trinity force is the best and probably only good damage item on him post wits nerf (wits or botrk work if you really need them are okay for a 2nd item)

You don't compare items to how good they are on other champions that's absurd.

You don't say "oh don't get sunfire on anyone because it's better on garen"


A Shen with sheen probably destroys a malph with sheen because his kit with the sheen damage outlasts malphite.
Malphite runs oom very quickly and his passive regens much slower than shens Q. Shens W and Q can stop him getting low from E//Q harass before he runs out of mana.

Shen usually has lots of health because of his W and Q healing and good harass so he lacks burst damage, the sheen provides that nicely.


Zeal and phage aren't to be underestimated, movement speed is very good on shen because he relies on mobility to hit his ki strikes and taunts and thats all he does post ult.

You normally want sunfire first of course and full tank is a more normal route but absolutely all my dominating shen games have involved wrecking with trinity .

Wits end has always been a bit underwhelming. Botrk wouldn't be muchbetter, the ki strike as scaling sounds good on paper but realistically melees cant stick to squishies for a long time so the speed and burst of trinity is far better

I've started sheen on shen anytime I'm doing really well, its the best item to punish people in lane
sunfire is obviously the usual item to get
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 19:22:58
February 05 2015 19:22 GMT
#823
thats just spacing every few sentences
bro do you even understand how paragraphs work
did you study english at all ever
HAVE YOU READ BOOKS

the horrendous grammar and wording is the biggest problem.
aka Teutonica
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
February 05 2015 19:24 GMT
#824
Ketara paragraphs pls
This is saying that every sentence should be treated as a separate statement.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
February 05 2015 19:25 GMT
#825
It's not the worst way to post but a bad way to structure if you're trying to have a coherent thought process
aka Teutonica
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 05 2015 19:34 GMT
#826
Well, it's the way Teut writes in the first place, so.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 05 2015 19:57 GMT
#827
Teut farts out better information then most here who labor behind math or convoluted points that fail to have any real impact, so I'll take it with bad syntax/grammar/whatever. It's not like he's opening the heavens and pouring wisdom down upon us like the rain that washes away tears of the CLG fans after every LCS week, but it's at least mildly thought-provoking.
Hey! How you doin'?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 05 2015 20:33 GMT
#828
soraka must be the most frustrating cancer champ i had to ever play against, people whined and banned her quite a lot not so long ago (just after rework) but somehow she got forgotten, still whenever i have to play against it i want to cut my wrists
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 05 2015 20:35 GMT
#829
And yet, playing her is SUPER fun, just like pre rework.

I miss Soraka top.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 05 2015 20:39 GMT
#830
The only champion I vehemently dislike playing vs I ironically love playing as her: Morgana. I play too many cool and fun CC champs, ok maybe just Blitz, and black shield is just cancerous.

Unless I'm on her then she's fun as fuck though not altogether flashy.
Hey! How you doin'?
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
February 05 2015 20:43 GMT
#831
On February 06 2015 05:35 Ketara wrote:
And yet, playing her is SUPER fun, just like pre rework.

I miss Soraka top.


What is fun in playing Soraka, lol.
Making other people rage quit?
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 20:49:27
February 05 2015 20:47 GMT
#832
On February 06 2015 05:33 kongoline wrote:
soraka must be the most frustrating cancer champ i had to ever play against, people whined and banned her quite a lot not so long ago (just after rework) but somehow she got forgotten, still whenever i have to play against it i want to cut my wrists


until you realize janna is like soraka with CC

Also I math out shit all the time it's just i dont say "LOL SHENS KI STRIKE IS BASED OFF ATTACK SPEED ERGO RUNAANS SHEN ELLELEL"
you can't apply dps math blindly most especially with melee champions

On February 06 2015 04:34 Ketara wrote:
Well, it's the way Teut writes in the first place, so.


The point of paragraphs generally is to structure information and relevant points together.
Obviously it applies more to actual books where blocks of text at the norm and indents are all the structure you get.
aka Teutonica
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 05 2015 20:48 GMT
#833
Kongoline switches the most cancer champ he hates the most playing against on as regular a basis as Shikyo picks up a new champion with untapped potential that he wonders why it isn't played more.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 20:51:53
February 05 2015 20:51 GMT
#834
Soraka suffers a huge weakness against any kind of dive or AoE or skirmishes because she is so squishy and heals based on her own hp.
There is no reason to play her when janna is in the game really.

I thought she seemed OP too but really the heal isn't that strong when you realize janna shield does that and gives your ad a free BT.
aka Teutonica
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 05 2015 21:19 GMT
#835
Soraka is really good against comps with no engage that can never get to her to stop the healing.

But then again no engage comps kinda lose to everything else, so.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 21:22:41
February 05 2015 21:21 GMT
#836
On February 06 2015 05:47 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2015 04:34 Ketara wrote:
Well, it's the way Teut writes in the first place, so.


The point of paragraphs generally is to structure information and relevant points together.
Obviously it applies more to actual books where blocks of text at the norm and indents are all the structure you get.


Like, Teut, here's a posting on the internet lesson for you.


The point of paragraphs generally is to structure information and relevant points together.
Obviously it applies more to actual books where blocks of text at the norm and indents are all the structure you get.


This is shitty.


The point of paragraphs generally is to structure information and relevant points together.

Obviously it applies more to actual books where blocks of text at the norm and indents are all the structure you get.


This is acceptable.

The point of paragraphs generally is to structure information and relevant points together. Obviously it applies more to actual books where blocks of text at the norm and indents are all the structure you get.


This is probably more acceptable.

When it's two sentences it's not a big deal. But when you write a wall of text the first way, it is hard to read. The other two ways are not hard to read.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 21:27:41
February 05 2015 21:27 GMT
#837
apparently i abuse the enter key a bit too liberally and leave too many blank spaces
it was for taylor swift to write my name
aka Teutonica
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 21:35:52
February 05 2015 21:35 GMT
#838
On February 06 2015 06:21 Ketara wrote:
When it's two sentences it's not a big deal. But when you write a wall of text the first way, it is hard to read. The other two ways are not hard to read.


That said, I'd like to contend that separating every single sentence with two line breaks can actually end up hard to read.

Short posts with just a couple of sentences work okay and nobody should shy away from that.

Managing much larger numbers of sentences is difficult, as they start to blur together and become harder to differentiate.

So eventually you end up with a lattice-wall of text, easier to read than a solid wall but nevertheless messy and ugly.

Unfortunately there isn't any substitute for properly sized and separated paragraphs.

X-rays are electromagnetic waves of high energy and very short wavelength, which are able to pass through many materials opaque to light.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-05 21:39:16
February 05 2015 21:36 GMT
#839
You don't separate every sentence with two line breaks. You separate every paragraph with two line breaks.

Teuts way of writing just seems to have 50 paragraphs in every long post and it's hard to read.


On February 06 2015 02:36 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2015 14:56 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:30 TheHumanSensation wrote:
If I get ahead as Shen and need to carry, what's a good offensive item (better than sunfire / thornmail)?


#longliveionianspark
#longliveatmasimpaler
Botrk is actually decent enough, if you want something between stacking 4th hundred armor or 3rd hundred magic resist.

On February 05 2015 14:47 lilwisper wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:38 wei2coolman wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:35 lilwisper wrote:
On February 05 2015 14:30 TheHumanSensation wrote:
If I get ahead as Shen and need to carry, what's a good offensive item (better than sunfire / thornmail)?


I have seen folks build triforce for Shen mostly.

triforce is such a nice single item for shen, but I feel if you get it, it's such an expensive item that you'd have to be like 3-4 kills ahead in lane for you to buy it without falling behind in your defensive scaling, and your overall utility. Which is hugely problematic since shen usually just aims to go even in lane anyways, rarely does he ever get a lane where he smashes. The time you do get ahead, is usually your midgame ulti contributions, and by then you already have boots + 2 defensive items, and building 3rd item triforce takes forever, and is a huge pain in the ass.


It is expensive, but doesn't the build path allow decent flexibility? It's not like building a IE or Deathcap where you have to wait for a huge sum before you even finish part of the build. Then again with most of the defensive items getting paths from their little cousins (especially now that ruby leads to belt) wouldn't it be best to keep on the defensive stacking?


Components are kinda useless on Shen, noone will in good mind start him with sheen, for example, because when you compare someone like Malphite with casual sheen and Shen, Shen loses a lot there.

Phage sounds cool on paper but you won't buy casual phage in beginning of game either, ultying somewhere just to die sounds bad.
Zeal is even worse.

Frozen mallet might be good on Shen, but it's so freaking expensive for so little profit that it sucks as well.


1 Trinity force is the best and probably only good damage item on him post wits nerf (wits or botrk work if you really need them are okay for a 2nd item)
2 You don't compare items to how good they are on other champions that's absurd.
3 You don't say "oh don't get sunfire on anyone because it's better on garen"



4 A Shen with sheen probably destroys a malph with sheen because his kit with the sheen damage outlasts malphite.
5 Malphite runs oom very quickly and his passive regens much slower than shens Q. Shens W and Q can stop him getting low from E//Q harass before he runs out of mana.

6 Shen usually has lots of health because of his W and Q healing and good harass so he lacks burst damage, the sheen provides that nicely.


7 Zeal and phage aren't to be underestimated, movement speed is very good on shen because he relies on mobility to hit his ki strikes and taunts and thats all he does post ult.
8 You normally want sunfire first of course and full tank is a more normal route but absolutely all my dominating shen games have involved wrecking with trinity



9 wits end has always been a bit underwhelming. Botrk wouldn't be muchbetter, the ki strike as scaling sounds good on paper but realistically melees cant stick to squishies for a long time so the speed and burst of trinity is far better

10 I've started sheen on shen anytime I'm doing really well, its the best item to punish people in lane
sunfire is obviously the usual item to get


This is a 10 paragraph post, it should be like... Two.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 05 2015 21:39 GMT
#840
Whoosh.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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