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On January 17 2015 15:47 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:32 kongoline wrote:
funny how for no reason they decide to change ahri a perfectly viable and good champion when there are dozen of champions who would love that type of attention, riots favouritism at its finest it's not really "for no reason." DFG is getting removed, which was pretty core on Ahri.
Yeah but that Q looks PRETTY BROKEN. According to S@20:
Orb of Deception (Q) has a new effect: "Ahri gains movement speed while her orb travelling"
[Note: This is a pretty significant speed boost that rapidly decays. At level 1 and rank 1 of Q, movement speed spikes from 330 (base) up to 545 then rapidly down to 410 until the orb returns.]
Foxfire (W) damage increased to 50/80/110/140/170 from 40/65/90/115/140
Charm (E) AP ratio increased to .5 from .35
Charm (E) no longer amplifies damage on target by 20% for 6 seconds.
Charm (E) damage increased to 60/90/120/150/200 from 60/90/120/150/180
With the removal of E amp, and W rebuffed in damage, she is essentially going to be back to her release state. I think this will favour a Rylai's build with her. She won't be as OP as when she was first released, but with that movement thing I think she will still be fairly broken.
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I like the change with Giant's belt, that it builds from Ruby Crystal now.
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On January 17 2015 15:53 kongoline wrote:
is it? people keep saying the same about leblanc and all lb in ogn build morello into deathcap
No one said the same thing about Leblanc...
Also look at probuilds for ahri, DFG is like 100% buy rate on her, Leblanc it's like 40% ish.
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On January 17 2015 15:55 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:47 Ryuu314 wrote:On January 17 2015 15:32 kongoline wrote:
funny how for no reason they decide to change ahri a perfectly viable and good champion when there are dozen of champions who would love that type of attention, riots favouritism at its finest it's not really "for no reason." DFG is getting removed, which was pretty core on Ahri. Yeah but that Q looks PRETTY BROKEN. According to S@20: Orb of Deception (Q) has a new effect: "Ahri gains movement speed while her orb travelling" [Note: This is a pretty significant speed boost that rapidly decays. At level 1 and rank 1 of Q, movement speed spikes from 330 (base) up to 545 then rapidly down to 410 until the orb returns.] Foxfire (W) damage increased to 50/80/110/140/170 from 40/65/90/115/140 Charm (E) AP ratio increased to .5 from .35 Charm (E) no longer amplifies damage on target by 20% for 6 seconds. Charm (E) damage increased to 60/90/120/150/200 from 60/90/120/150/180 With the removal of E amp, and W rebuffed in damage, she is essentially going to be back to her release state. I think this will favour a Rylai's build with her. She won't be as OP as when she was first released, but with that movement thing I think she will still be fairly broken.
oh i'm not contesting that. just saying that it's not unreasonable that Ahri is gonna receive some buffs since DFG was basically 100% buy on her.
Leblanc didn't really ever buy DFG since her burst is pretty nuts already.
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On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs.
Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage?
Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer.
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On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer.
On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC.
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Ahri looks like shes going to be a top tier pick in the future when this patch hits
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On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC.
Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target.
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On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target.
TIL Utility now counts as damage.
Alistar most damage champion now.
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On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now.
Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game.
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On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game.
lol. Not sure if serious.
how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe?
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On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe?
You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage.
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On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage.
Can you pull average of damage dealt to champions for Ashe (and something to compare it to) from the API?
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On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage.
It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why).
Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's.
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Both of you cut it out, thanks.
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On January 17 2015 16:50 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage. It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why). Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's.
It is not my job to convince you, actually. You can keep thinking Alistar has the most damage. Some people also believe the earth is the centre of the universe. It's really not my business.
The question at hand is that moderation was used for essentially "uninformed comments" even though the mods are pretty uninformed themselves. I am an Ashe player and I've done these number crunching many times. I could have just called Neo out a few hours ago but I chose not to.
By the way, I think the moderation team is going in a really bad direction here.
On January 17 2015 16:51 Zess wrote:
Both of you cut it out, thanks.
I think the only thing Guomingdong got wrong was the base attack speed part. Everything else he said was more or less correct, but got spinned around by Cheep.
I get the sense that posting on GD requires the poster's opinion to align with the mods or be moderated. This is a terrible direction to take.
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On January 17 2015 16:54 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:50 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 15:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs. Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage? Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 06:02 Sufficiency wrote:
Ashe is a fantastic ADC and she does plenty of damage. Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has: -No steroids. -The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else). -Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208. -The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples. -Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679. With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage." If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage. It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why). Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's. It is not my job to convince you, actually. You can keep thinking Alistar has the most damage. Some people also believe the earth is the centre of the universe. It's really not my business. The question at hand is that moderation was used for essentially "uninformed comments" even though the mods are pretty uninformed themselves. I am an Ashe player and I've done these number crunching many times. I could have just called Neo out a few hours ago but I chose not to. By the way, I think the moderation team is going in a really bad direction here.
Wei2coolman was warned for his sarcastic and hyperbolic post. MoonBear already told you to take these comments to Website Feedback. This is your final warning, do not derail the topic.
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On January 17 2015 16:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:50 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:19 Sufficiency wrote:
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Since someone's factual basis in a post is being questioned here, how do you know Ashe has the lowest damage?
Yes, it's a trick question, but feel free to answer. On January 17 2015 06:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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Let's compare ADCs; I found 16, I might've missed a couple. Ashe has:
-No steroids.
-The lowest AD growth of every single ADC (2.85 vs. 3 - 3.5 for everyone else).
-Base AD of 51.088, which places her at average (rank 7 of 16); field spans 49.04 - 54.208.
-The highest AS growth at 4% (tied with Caitlyn), with the rest of the field going from 1% - 3.38%; the especially low AS growth champions are Jinx (1%), Sivir (1.6%), Corki (2.3%), Tristana (2.5%), KogMaw (2.65%), Draven (2.7%), Ezreal (2.8%), Graves (2.9%). As you'll note, every single one of these beyond Corki has huge attack speed steroids, ranging from 10% - 30% constantly (Kog'Maw) to 30% - 110% temporarily (Tristana) as examples.
-Rank 5 of 16 for base AS at .665, with the field spanning .625 - .679.
With a lack of steroids and below average base stats in aggregate, it is incredibly misleading to say Ashe does "plenty of damage."
If you want to throw skills into the mix, Ashe has a single damaging ability, which is a relatively low CD, physical damage AoE spell with good scaling. However, it does not compare to any of the meta ADC's spells. I'm not gonna break down every single ADC's spells, but it is evident that Ashe's spells do elss damage than people like Corki, KogMaw, Ezreal, Draven, Graves, etc. Not to mention, again, the massive steroids that many other ADCs have on their spells to enhance auto-attacks, compared to Ashe's Q which only applies CC. Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage. It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why). Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's. It is not my job to convince you, actually. You can keep thinking Alistar has the most damage. Some people also believe the earth is the centre of the universe. It's really not my business. The question at hand is that moderation was used for essentially "uninformed comments" even though the mods are pretty uninformed themselves. I am an Ashe player and I've done these number crunching many times. I could have just called Neo out a few hours ago but I chose not to. By the way, I think the moderation team is going in a really bad direction here. Wei2coolman was warned for his sarcastic and hyperbolic post. MoonBear already told you to take these comments to Website Feedback. This is your final warning, do not derail the topic.
I am not derailing it. I am asking you a simple question since you brought it up:
You said Ashe has the lowest damage among ADCs. What evidence do you have of this?
Yes I saw your math on attack speed, etc. That works only on a theoretical level against a dummy target that does not move. I am just curious how you came up with that conclusion.
I mean you are a mod and everything I am sure you are very knowledgeable. I just want to be better at the game!
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On January 17 2015 17:00 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 16:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 16:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:50 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:32 wei2coolman wrote:
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Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage. It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why). Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's. It is not my job to convince you, actually. You can keep thinking Alistar has the most damage. Some people also believe the earth is the centre of the universe. It's really not my business. The question at hand is that moderation was used for essentially "uninformed comments" even though the mods are pretty uninformed themselves. I am an Ashe player and I've done these number crunching many times. I could have just called Neo out a few hours ago but I chose not to. By the way, I think the moderation team is going in a really bad direction here. Wei2coolman was warned for his sarcastic and hyperbolic post. MoonBear already told you to take these comments to Website Feedback. This is your final warning, do not derail the topic. I am not derailing it. I am asking you a simple question since you brought it up: You said Ashe has the lowest damage among ADCs. What evidence do you have of this? Yes I saw your math on attack speed, etc. That works only on a theoretical level against a dummy target that does not move. I am just curious how you came up with that conclusion. I mean you are a mod and everything I am sure you are very knowledgeable. I just want to be better at the game!
sigh.
http://www.lolking.net/champions/ashe
Use the "Ashe vs Bottom Lane Averages (Ranked statistics)" Tab.
Even by your own stupid fucking criteria Ashe does less damage than most ADC's.
Went through all the ADC's only ones with less than Ashe, are twitch,vayne, and ez.
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On January 17 2015 17:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 17:00 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 17 2015 16:54 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:50 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:43 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:40 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:39 Sufficiency wrote:On January 17 2015 16:36 wei2coolman wrote:On January 17 2015 16:35 Sufficiency wrote:
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Those kinds of math only works when you attack an unmoving dummy target. TIL Utility now counts as damage. Alistar most damage champion now. Your total damage against champions is calculated at end game. lol. Not sure if serious. how many times are you gunna change the goal post just to try and fit the definition of "plenty of damage" for Ashe? You can begin by telling me why your end game statistics is not a good statistics for a champion's ability to do damage. It's not my job to disprove it, it's your job to prove it. (and it should be pretty obvious why). Plus you haven't even posted the numbers for damage in comparison to other ADC's. It is not my job to convince you, actually. You can keep thinking Alistar has the most damage. Some people also believe the earth is the centre of the universe. It's really not my business. The question at hand is that moderation was used for essentially "uninformed comments" even though the mods are pretty uninformed themselves. I am an Ashe player and I've done these number crunching many times. I could have just called Neo out a few hours ago but I chose not to. By the way, I think the moderation team is going in a really bad direction here. Wei2coolman was warned for his sarcastic and hyperbolic post. MoonBear already told you to take these comments to Website Feedback. This is your final warning, do not derail the topic. I am not derailing it. I am asking you a simple question since you brought it up: You said Ashe has the lowest damage among ADCs. What evidence do you have of this? Yes I saw your math on attack speed, etc. That works only on a theoretical level against a dummy target that does not move. I am just curious how you came up with that conclusion. I mean you are a mod and everything I am sure you are very knowledgeable. I just want to be better at the game! sigh. http://www.lolking.net/champions/asheUse the "Ashe vs Bottom Lane Averages (Ranked statistics)" Tab. Even by your own stupid fucking criteria Ashe does less damage than most ADC's.
That's total damage dealt, by the way. That includes damage dealt to minions and monsters. Nice try though.
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