EPT[Patch 5.1] Season 5 General Discussion - Page 19
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
You're captain datamine. You have access to those statistics. Mock something up if you have a case instead of just sitting around and going "no, you're wrong." without even trying to prove anything. Average out damage to champions for Diamond up. In other news, the Riven change was unintended. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/R12g5sUE-broken-wings-q-now-auto-cancels-its-animation-allowing-riven-to-attack-much-faster-after-using-q?comment=000c | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Edit: Well according to this guy: http://lolbuilder.net/news/best-ad-carry-by-damage Ashe does a lot better than i would think. 4th in plat and gold, middle of the road in Silver and Diamond. | ||
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Spreek
United States47 Posts
On January 17 2015 17:51 Goumindong wrote: Eh. IIRC Ashe does relatively poorly on full game damage to champions. Her late timing(and low AoE) makes it hard to overcome champions which build up raw values in earlier fights. Edit: Well according to this guy: http://lolbuilder.net/news/best-ad-carry-by-damage Ashe does a lot better than i would think. 4th in plat and gold, middle of the road in Silver and Diamond. I'm not sure how much to trust damage dealt to champions when it isn't controlled for game length. If one champ has longer games on average, they'll also have more damage dealt, even if they don't necessarily do more damage in an equal length game. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On January 17 2015 18:35 Spreek wrote: I'm not sure how much to trust damage dealt to champions when it isn't controlled for game length. If one champ has longer games on average, they'll also have more damage dealt, even if they don't necessarily do more damage in an equal length game. Sure. Similarly if you control for game length, champions which have "objectively higher damage" in the sense that everyone agrees they're a higher damage ADC (say, Kog'Maw) will do less damage than those who are "objectively lower damage" in the sense that everyone agrees they're a lower damage ADC than Kog'Maw. We can see this effect in challenger games where cait has the highest average damage, what looks like, largely because everyone elses damage has fallen off hard. (lower average game time?) even if you're controlling for game time there is a delayed effect. Champions which started early and built up damage, even if they do little at the end of the game, still still have higher overall numbers because the guy on the other side only won one team fight(I.E. the last team fight) | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
it's pretty straightforward and widely accepted that Ashe is easily one of the lowest damage AD carries. She has little to no real burst. The only thing going for her is her above average range and kiting ability which *might* improve her numbers. Even then, if you're the one going against what is commonly accepted, then the onus is on you to prove/show that common knowledge is wrong. You're not going to walk into a university physics department and say "gravity is bullshit. i'm right and you have to prove me wrong." It's on you to back what you're saying with data. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
i haven't played lucian in ages though so i have no idea | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
RELEASE SKIN FOR ASIAN FOX GIRL MAKE $$$$$ PROCEED TO NERF SPEED BOOST AND DMG IN THE NAME OF STRATEGIC DIVERSITY DYNAMIC DECISIONMAKING ANTI FUN User was warned for this post | ||
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a1 Sovereign
Bulgaria67 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
in a few months it will come to pass or i will eat a hat | ||
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Meedio
Finland10 Posts
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OhTwoMise
United States164 Posts
It's pretty impressive if you itemize around it early. I've been having a lot of success with a BF + Brutalizer + cooldown boots timing with runes and masteries to hit the CDR cap. It's generally not safe to auto-attack on cooldown at that point in the game anyway, so you can maximize Volley damage at the expense of attack speed. And as an added bonus, you have much smoother item progression, an excellent transition into IE + Ghostblade, and a one minute cooldown on level one Arrow. To be fair, you chew through all kinds of mana at this point in the game, to the point where it's not unreasonable to buy pots, although they're usually not necessary if you're careful and time your backs well. | ||
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kongoline
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 17 2015 19:00 M2 wrote: Is Trinity better for lucian now? after the IE nerf Don't go trinity on lucian.Let's be real.5% less or more rng is just rng still.Doesn't matter at all ie is still the way to go.If it sees more nerfs maybe that will change but lucian needs flat ad not the sheen proc. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 17 2015 18:50 Ryuu314 wrote: you can get around that pretty easily by trying to calculate average damage to champions per minute or some similar metric. it's pretty straightforward and widely accepted that Ashe is easily one of the lowest damage AD carries. She has little to no real burst. The only thing going for her is her above average range and kiting ability which *might* improve her numbers. Even then, if you're the one going against what is commonly accepted, then the onus is on you to prove/show that common knowledge is wrong. You're not going to walk into a university physics department and say "gravity is bullshit. i'm right and you have to prove me wrong." It's on you to back what you're saying with data. It is super easy to spend 10 seconds to google this, actually. Like what Guo did. This should be done because my data could be wrong ( or I nudged the numbers). And yes, game length is an issue. I computed my numbers based on raw average, damage per min, damage for won/lost games (you do more damage when you win, and Ashe was winning nearly 55% on Platinum), and damage for won/lost games per minute. Using all of the measurements above, Ashe was always at least average or above average. But I am pretty disappointed at how this turned out. LiquidNagzul has unbanned me, but I think I will be taking a break until all members of this forum are treated with respect that we deserve. I apologize if I promised to do something for you - it will be on hold until further notice. | ||
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Celial
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 18 2015 00:51 Celial wrote: So what junglers do I wanna play in solo queue this season? Am Silver/Gold, wanna win games. Vi, Jarvan IV, Master Yi. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 18 2015 00:51 Celial wrote: So what junglers do I wanna play in solo queue this season? Am Silver/Gold, wanna win games. Jarvan, Fiddles, and Rek'Sai poop on soloq. | ||
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Painmaker
Uruguay230 Posts
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