[Patch 5.1] Season 5 General Discussion - Page 17

On January 17 2015 12:58 Gahlo wrote:
Who at Riot thought this was a good idea? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmVSviHlQA

On January 17 2015 13:05 Slusher wrote:
I don't know where you would find a reliable source but I don't think Vman has ever cracked Masters let alone challenger

KR server being strong isn't really new, but lets not paint Vman as the class of the NA server

On January 17 2015 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:


I think you are right.

 league_tier | count |        winrate
-------------+-------+------------------------
 Bronze      |  7763 | 0.46232126755120443128
 Silver      | 17646 | 0.49149948996939816389
 Gold        | 37855 | 0.50220578523312640338
 Platinum    | 39926 | 0.51978660521965636427
 Diamond     | 13595 | 0.52556086796616403089
 Master      |   849 | 0.55712603062426383981
 Challenger  |   189 | 0.56084656084656084656

On January 17 2015 13:13 Amui wrote:

That is probably where the PBE change will try to flatten that out then. Probably lower values/higher CDs, but in exchange even a silver league could do the combo fairly well if they remember to auto.

On January 17 2015 13:32 nekotrap wrote:
What the hell? They are noobifying Riven's Q cancels

On January 17 2015 13:00 Mensol wrote:
im watching VMan7's stream. He is challenger level on NA but now he's playing on Korean server.

He is getting outclassed by Plat 5 Koreans l o l. All hail to Korean Overlords.

On January 17 2015 14:13 Amui wrote:

Honestly, I think riven is a champ which is absolute garbage if the player is bad, but a good riven simply demo's entire teams after snowballing lane phase.

On January 17 2015 12:58 Gahlo wrote:
Who at Riot thought this was a good idea? lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFmVSviHlQA

On January 17 2015 13:13 Amui wrote:

That is probably where the PBE change will try to flatten that out then. Probably lower values/higher CDs, but in exchange even a silver league could do the combo fairly well if they remember to auto.

On January 17 2015 12:24 Sufficiency wrote:
..but in exchange even a silver league could do the combo fairly well if they remember to auto.

On January 17 2015 14:57 Sufficiency wrote:
The auto cancel is sort of a technicality anyway. There really isn't much to it. It's like auto-mining going from BW to SC2.

On January 17 2015 09:28 Goumindong wrote:


Ashe has the highest level 18 non-steroid attack speed in the game.

OK. Also irrelevant considering that steroids do exist.

Her auto crit is a significant steroid, the only problem of which is that it does nothing 50% of the time. (I.E. if the enemy crits on their first attack), but otherwise is a significant damage boost that other AD's, even with their higher DOT will not likely overcome in short fights. (and if they ever fixed fucking crit it would be all the time)

A single crit in a team fight is not "a significant steroid." It's just not.

Her base attack is .658 the highest of all AD's except twitch, which means that she scales well with attack speed items and ancillary boosts.

No it's not. check your stats. Draven Twitch Quinn Varus Kogmaw all have higher, and I already pointed this out in my post before yours.

Her advantage is not at 2 items, but rather at 3+ items when the ability damage of other AD's starts to fall off, and the power of a 600 damage 3 second stun and auto-crit starts to shine.

It's a single crit. And are you really trying to tell me Ashe is going to do 600 damage with her magical damage ult?

Her downsides are no mobility, the lowest base speed in the game, and a shitty AA animation (compared to most AD's even after the tweaks), and a passive that does nothing 50% of the time. But not damage.

AA animation quality is somewhat subjective but her range is high. And in any case her attack delay, which is related, is quite middle of road and typical for ADCs. See here http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_delay Lowest base speed is misleading since a lot of ADs share the low base move speed. Damage definitely is a downside for her.

What you really want to know is this. Does Ashe win games? Ashe is the highest weekly win rate ADC in Platinum and the second highest in Diamond according to lolking(third monthly in plat and diamond, behind Jinx and Sivir)*. So yes. Ashe is a perfectly fine ADC who does plenty of damage

Ashe may or may not be a fine ADC because of her utility, but stop saying she does plenty of damage when she is one of the lowest damage ADCs.

*tend to ignore challenger because there aren't enough games and because the dynamics of play are really strange up there



Indeed, if only there were some high peel support who was also strong at the moment. Maybe this support could have a linear pass through knockup, a targeted slow, an AoE speed up passve, and he or she can put a shield on a target to give them HP and AD. Then her ultimate could be a massive knock away and heal over time and they can have an item that gives you attack speed when you shield someone so that you can utilizes Ashe's high base attack speed.

A champion like that being good would make Ashe really strong, its a shame one doesn't exist.

On January 17 2015 15:32 kongoline wrote:
funny how for no reason they decide to change ahri a perfectly viable and good champion when there are dozen of champions who would love that type of attention, riots favouritism at its finest