NA LCS Spring 2015 Predictions - Page 6

On January 12 2015 02:13 LimpingGoat wrote:
So many people predicting TSM to drop from 1st place Summer Split 2014 to not just 2nd place but like 4th and 5th. Do we forget what people were saying about TSM last season? Cmon guys, you might hate the team and/or the management but don't set yourself up to look stupid.

On January 12 2015 02:13 LimpingGoat wrote:
So many people predicting TSM to drop from 1st place Summer Split 2014 to not just 2nd place but like 4th and 5th. Do we forget what people were saying about TSM last season? Cmon guys, you might hate the team and/or the management but don't set yourself up to look stupid.

On January 12 2015 02:22 Citeen wrote:
MFW people are putting Team 8 last when they have winning records against both Gravity and Coast throughout challenger scene...

I also think it's silly to use the fact that they just barely beat Complexity to get into NA LCS as justification. UoL barely beat MIL to get into EU LCS. Also, from having watched many of their scrims last split they're really not as bad as everyone says.

I'm skeptical about Gravity's success with Saint though. He's a cool guy and I really love him in the scene, but I don't think he can compete as a jungler anymore unless he's on J4 or something.

On January 12 2015 02:37 Project Yasuo wrote:


TSM had just gotten a new jungler who hasn't played in the LCS: he will need time to adjust to the LCS schedule. Furthermore, no one really knows just how good or bad he is. On top of that, Turtle is in a slump, regardless of how he may play in solo-q. Furthermore, Curse/Team Liquid looked very good at the end of Summer Split 2014 and I expect them to only improve. Finally, C9 is the undisputed #1 team. TSM managed win against them very narrowly, and it was considered to be an upset in every meaning of the word. To add to that, C9 had an amazing showing at worlds, nearly forcing Samsung Blue to 5 games, making it one of the few NA teams to give a Korean team a legitimate struggle. They must have only improved since then, since they don't have to worry about team synergy due to roster swaps. Each member of C9 is near the peak of his role in NA (or the West). To put TSM 1st over C9 just seems plain ridiculous.

On January 12 2015 02:37 Project Yasuo wrote:


TSM had just gotten a new jungler who hasn't played in the LCS: he will need time to adjust to the LCS schedule. Furthermore, no one really knows just how good or bad he is. On top of that, Turtle is in a slump, regardless of how he may play in solo-q. Furthermore, Curse/Team Liquid looked very good at the end of Summer Split 2014 and I expect them to only improve. Finally, C9 is the undisputed #1 team. TSM managed win against them very narrowly, and it was considered to be an upset in every meaning of the word. To add to that, C9 had an amazing showing at worlds, nearly forcing Samsung Blue to 5 games, making it one of the few NA teams to give a Korean team a legitimate struggle. They must have only improved since then, since they don't have to worry about team synergy due to roster swaps. Each member of C9 is near the peak of his role in NA (or the West). To put TSM 1st over C9 just seems plain ridiculous.

On January 12 2015 06:18 LimpingGoat wrote:


TSM got a jungler that is ranked 3 NA and Rank 20 EUW and is reportedly already considered top 3 in his position in NA just from scrims. Now you might dismiss that because oh "it's just soloq and it's just scrims" but when you see things like that frankly I think you're reaching far more to dismiss it than to think it will translate into LCS. Turtle slump isn't even real, people forget he got 2 Quadra kills in LCS Finals against C9, and had the most damage per second of western ADC's at Worlds.

C9 took one game off of Samsung Blue, and TSM took one off of Samsung White. We know which one of these teams is harder to take a game off of.

To put TSM over C9 is as simple as looking at the most recent LCS split results.

On January 12 2015 07:16 LimpingGoat wrote:
It's weird because there don't actually have to be any huge reasons for TSM to have improved over the off season to think that they will be Top 2, they literally just won the previous split of LCS. Thinking that they will move from that you have to actually have reasons that they will be weaker, and there aren't any as far as I can tell.

On January 12 2015 07:30 Amarok wrote:


The league is virtually unrecognisable from last season. A number of teams have made significant improvements to their squads and in that context TSM staying the same (I'll be generous and put Santorin = Amazing) is going backwards. You always have to re-evaluate what's in front of you.

That said TSM have the best Midlaner in the league, one of the better supports and tops and a wildcard with Turtle. I put them a bit behind where they were last year because I think other teams match up better against them this year (specifically TL), I really don't rate Santorin = Amazing and with a number of very strong individual players joining (Impact, Piglet) it will be slightly harder for TSM to leverage their strengths (strong individual performances).

On January 12 2015 06:18 LimpingGoat wrote:


TSM got a jungler that is ranked 3 NA and Rank 20 EUW and is reportedly already considered top 3 in his position in NA just from scrims. Now you might dismiss that because oh "it's just soloq and it's just scrims" but when you see things like that frankly I think you're reaching far more to dismiss it than to think it will translate into LCS. Turtle slump isn't even real, people forget he got 2 Quadra kills in LCS Finals against C9, and had the most damage per second of western ADC's at Worlds.

C9 took one game off of Samsung Blue, and TSM took one off of Samsung White. We know which one of these teams is harder to take a game off of.

To put TSM over C9 is as simple as looking at the most recent LCS split results.

On January 12 2015 07:16 LimpingGoat wrote:
It's weird because there don't actually have to be any huge reasons for TSM to have improved over the off season to think that they will be Top 2, they literally just won the previous split of LCS. Thinking that they will move from that you have to actually have reasons that they will be weaker, and there aren't any as far as I can tell.

On January 12 2015 07:35 Itchy7x wrote:

Did you watch OGN at all, or did you just hear about it during worlds? Two seasons of Hitting OGN finals and winning one of them, only SKT T1 K has reached two OGN finals and actually won both. Meanwhile White never won OGN since Spring 2013 when they were still MVP Ozone. Speaking as a White fan, Blue is far harder to take a game off because White only played from a mechanical standpoint. They would bruteforce their way into wins by playing really aggresive and making aggresive calls, this made the team horribly inconsistant during OGN, dropping games to Jin Air and similiar level teams. Whereas Blue would always win games though proper strategical play and rarely dropped games during their prime because their shotcalling was on point and they would always win though careful strategical play. White strategies could backfire really hard and they would lose games to huge snowballs because of risks they took that didn't work out. So saying White was harder to beat then Blue just because they 3:0'd Blue, then you have no clue what you are talking about, because you should never take teamkills as a measurement of who is a better team because the teams know everything about each other, meaning that the better mechanical team almost always wins.

TSM has a new jungler, C9 doesn't. Rooster swaps almost always need time to work out, I'm not saying TSM is worse then C9 and vice-versa, but the chance that they are is far larger then TSM > C9. What I'm trying to say is that your point on taking a game vs White and C9 taking a game vs Blue but Blue is the worse team so TSM is better makes no sense. UOL 2-0 TSM, TSM beat White one game, White C9 only took one game off Blue, White > Blue, therefor UOL > C9 (except C9 3-0'd UOL oops). This is pretty much the point your making, you should never base your assumptions on one game.

On January 12 2015 08:13 LimpingGoat wrote:


I didn't even bring up the Samsung games, I was just responding to someone else that brought up C9's performance at Worlds. If I want to show that TSM can and probably will be better than C9 all you have to do is look at LCS Summer finals. The only difference in these two teams this season is that TSM has a new jungler, and all evidence that we have thus far is suggesting that he will be a major upgrade.

On January 12 2015 06:18 LimpingGoat wrote:


TSM got a jungler that is ranked 3 NA and Rank 20 EUW and is reportedly already considered top 3 in his position in NA just from scrims. Now you might dismiss that because oh "it's just soloq and it's just scrims" but when you see things like that frankly I think you're reaching far more to dismiss it than to think it will translate into LCS. Turtle slump isn't even real, people forget he got 2 Quadra kills in LCS Finals against C9, and had the most damage per second of western ADC's at Worlds.

C9 took one game off of Samsung Blue, and TSM took one off of Samsung White. We know which one of these teams is harder to take a game off of.

To put TSM over C9 is as simple as looking at the most recent LCS split results.

On January 12 2015 08:13 LimpingGoat wrote:


I didn't even bring up the Samsung games, I was just responding to someone else that brought up C9's performance at Worlds. If I want to show that TSM can and probably will be better than C9 all you have to do is look at LCS Summer finals. The only difference in these two teams this season is that TSM has a new jungler, and all evidence that we have thus far is suggesting that he will be a major upgrade.