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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 29 2014 04:05 GMT
#1181
why is azubu still not even as good as own3d was? I try to watch BlisS every day and shit takes like 5 min to get rolling with a direct link.
Carrilord has arrived.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 04:13:57
December 29 2014 04:11 GMT
#1182
In my eyes, based upon prior experience and the ADC's individual skill level, the only ones I feel that are worthy of discussion for the #1 ADC in NA are Piglet (former world champion who competed in the toughest league for 2 years and was always top 5 there, if not top 3 or top 1) and Sneaky (consistently improving over his 2 years in LCS, strongest ADC at Worlds this year, carried pretty hard at IEM and shows no signs of plateauing). WildTurtle's been known to slump, Altec doesn't have a long enough record, and Doublelift is too boom/bust with no real level of consistency.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 04:40:22
December 29 2014 04:25 GMT
#1183
Ouph, don't remind me of the slump WT has been in since S4WC. -.-

On December 29 2014 13:05 Slusher wrote:
why is azubu still not even as good as own3d was? I try to watch BlisS every day and shit takes like 5 min to get rolling with a direct link.

I feel a bit bad for Azubu. They used their inside track by being a Korean company(at least this iteration of it) to get the Kespa players streaming on there and dumped a lot of money into it, but due to the language barrier it isn't even fun to watch the streams whenever I tune in. I just find myself alt tabbing and looking at reddit instead.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
December 29 2014 04:45 GMT
#1184
On December 29 2014 13:25 Gahlo wrote:
Ouph, don't remind me of the slump WT has been in since S4WC. -.-

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 13:05 Slusher wrote:
why is azubu still not even as good as own3d was? I try to watch BlisS every day and shit takes like 5 min to get rolling with a direct link.

I feel a bit bad for Azubu. They used their inside track by being a Korean company(at least this iteration of it) to get the Kespa players streaming on there and dumped a lot of money into it, but due to the language barrier it isn't even fun to watch the streams whenever I tune in. I just find myself alt tabbing and looking at reddit instead.


Cpt. Jack and Trace are quite fun to watch though.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 05:00:31
December 29 2014 04:59 GMT
#1185
I really like BlisS, the platform is just ass.

he doesn't talk much but I usually just have streams on my 2nd screen while I play anyway so it's ok
Carrilord has arrived.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 29 2014 05:18 GMT
#1186
On December 29 2014 12:56 red_ wrote:
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On December 29 2014 12:06 Mensol wrote:
Doublelift will tear Piglet apart.

I actually can't wait to watch Piglet along with Quas, IWD and FeniX :DD We will see if he's really good or he was just part of a good team.


He was really good, he already proved that. The only thing we'll see is if he still gives a fuck or if he's moving to NA because you don't have to maintain the same level of ability to continue making $$$.


I can't see someone with as much pride as Piglet just slacking off and not caring.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 05:20:02
December 29 2014 05:19 GMT
#1187
On December 29 2014 12:00 krndandaman wrote:
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On December 29 2014 11:21 MooMooMugi wrote:
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In my eyes, the all NA ADCs are pretty similar in terms of skill. Why? Because in this current meta, ADCs have very little time to shine and are so reliant on their team.

During the laning phase, they are either 2v1 or 2v0 in a lane with zero pressure and their sole purpose is to deny farm from the enemy top lane by freezing or pushing the tower + harassing. The other scenario is a standard 2v2, which most people would argue is dictated by the support landing that crucial skillshot. Rarely do we see a ADC dominate another ADC in a standard lane unless a support makes a big play, most of the time we see 10-20 cs discrepancies which have little impact as the game drags on.

The real moment an ADC can prove his worth in my opinion, is how well he plays during teamfights. Most of these fights start around contesting the dragon objective, which again, is entirely dependent on team coordination and positioning and how well laners use the slight advantages they gained in lane. Frequently we see ADCs either rack up kill after kill or simply fall short and die to all the threats the enemy team has, setting the pace for the rest of the game. The next time they have an opportunity is usually when the enemy team makes a mistake like going for a risky baron/tower dive or turtle long enough to hit 6 items and win a teamfight then push to win.

Sneaky is a prime example of the type of ADC who is quite lax in the lane phase(unless Lemonnation gets a nice bind/hook/bubble off) but excels in teamfighting. With C9's team coordination and skirmish prowess, he is able to get fed off these early dragon fights and snowball the rest of the game. This I feel is something that all Double, Piglet, Altec, etc. are capable of doing, if only their team played like C9 does when they are on top of their game.

TLDR: -All ADCs can last hit and harass, what matters most is teamfighting and positioning
-if there were 10 C9's then every ADC would be the best, equally.



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completely disagree with your point that all adc's would be the same if they were in c9.
I hate this stupid argument people are making that an adc wouldn't be as good as they were if they were on a different team.
its the same type of argument idiots use to claim jordan isn't that great because he had hall of famers on his team with a hall of fame coach or that kobe got carried because he had phil jackson and shaq.

its understandable if you think doublelift or whoever CAN be better with a better team, but don't devalue other players' achievements because they have a good team. they are a part of the product and its backwards logic to assume that they aren't.

by your logic, adc's can never be praised. if he does well positioning in teamfights and such, its all thanks to his team. if he doesn't position well and dies, he sucks. its a lose lose situation.

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On December 29 2014 11:54 Nos- wrote:
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did someone just compare piglet hype to doublelift LOL


and here people were worrying that the quality of this forum will go down if liquid becomes new sponsor for curse.
I don't think we have much to lose.

In no way am I downplaying or undermining the player's achievements just because their teams are good. My main point was ADCs have a hard time being in the limelight and getting recognition because in a role that is team-dependent in the early, mid, and late game.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 29 2014 05:32 GMT
#1188
--- Nuked ---
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
December 29 2014 06:00 GMT
#1189
On December 29 2014 14:18 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 12:56 red_ wrote:
On December 29 2014 12:06 Mensol wrote:
Doublelift will tear Piglet apart.

I actually can't wait to watch Piglet along with Quas, IWD and FeniX :DD We will see if he's really good or he was just part of a good team.


He was really good, he already proved that. The only thing we'll see is if he still gives a fuck or if he's moving to NA because you don't have to maintain the same level of ability to continue making $$$.


I can't see someone with as much pride as Piglet just slacking off and not caring.


From what I know is that piglet is putting in hours and hours. I wouldnt worry about his skill level but rather his ability to speak english and communicate not just ingame but also in the house.

Its important that he can voice his concerns or talk if he is unhappy
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
December 29 2014 06:07 GMT
#1190
Izuna will be a fighter/assassin hybrid, capable of laying down a lot of single target burst damage while also sticking to targets easily.
Shaco rework in January. They are keeping with the murder clown theme.
Urf will be the next featured game mode, they are adding a few things, mostly changing items up for the mode to make them more OP and fun.
Next post after new year.

Yikes for Shaco rework and URF hype?
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
December 29 2014 07:36 GMT
#1191
On December 29 2014 15:07 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Izuna will be a fighter/assassin hybrid, capable of laying down a lot of single target burst damage while also sticking to targets easily.
Shaco rework in January. They are keeping with the murder clown theme.
Urf will be the next featured game mode, they are adding a few things, mostly changing items up for the mode to make them more OP and fun.
Next post after new year.

Yikes for Shaco rework and URF hype?

I'll still have nightmares of pre-nerf shaco. Dear god that shit was terrifying.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 29 2014 11:31 GMT
#1192
chaox/yuno on dopa stream
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 12:12:31
December 29 2014 12:07 GMT
#1193
LOL just tuned into nightblu3's stream
the game just started, he is playing jungle AP nidalee
he died doing his redbuff lvl2
I remain sceptical
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
December 29 2014 12:16 GMT
#1194
On December 29 2014 21:07 Scip wrote:
LOL just tuned into nightblu3's stream
the game just started, he is playing jungle AP nidalee
he died doing his redbuff lvl2
I remain sceptical

I just saw his ability to throw spears into straight moving target and I closed the stream.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 29 2014 13:15 GMT
#1195
every once in a while i forgot how shitty this game can be, and then i get put in a game against the ol' morgana katarina combo
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 14:14:05
December 29 2014 14:13 GMT
#1196
On December 29 2014 21:07 Scip wrote:
LOL just tuned into nightblu3's stream
the game just started, he is playing jungle AP nidalee
he died doing his redbuff lvl2
I remain sceptical

it's truly impressive how much he manages to die to buffs while jungling and remains never his fault.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
December 29 2014 15:10 GMT
#1197
In a reddit thread talking about Poacher's sucking somebody put out an idea of having it turn smite into a skillshot to try and steal dragons and barons with. That's not entirely a bad idea.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
December 29 2014 15:19 GMT
#1198
I wanna be optimistic about Piglet but as Wonderful once pointed out, Piglet was at his best when he practiced 16+ hours a day and I wonder if he will be able to play the same ammount in NA soloq and whether it will be as productive. And after what happened to Ryu, I'm starting to think that Koreans are actually human and can be outperformed by westerners. So as long as piglet is top3 adc in NA I'm gonna be ok with it.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 29 2014 16:14 GMT
#1199
The thing is, piglet doesn't need to be the best in NA for Curse to succeed. Curse is an already solid team, and they just got a guaranteed upgrade with piglet over Cop. I don't think Piglet is going to go around stomping NA, he'll probably play fairly average for top 3~4 ADC in NA LCS, and that's okay, because that's all Curse needs from him.
liftlift > tsm
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
December 29 2014 18:03 GMT
#1200


Is this real life?
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
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