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MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
November 24 2014 02:56 GMT
#521
wei2coolman, I've been running AS/ARM/MR/ARM, but only because that's my previous set, it works well enough for me, and I'm too poor to buy new runepages

With golem-start routes capable of a full clear and less chance of low-level counterjungling, is it better to still ask for a leash or to just tell the laner to go to lane? Blue side bot lane should be able to contribute a couple of auto-attacks each and still return to lane in time to not miss experience, but purple side top lane is a bit riskier.

Also, how are people finding the stat-per-level normalizations? In my (few) games so far, solo laners have been playing super cautiously as a result of not being confident about when they can all-in successfully. I've been playing mostly support and jungle, and the change hasn't felt too significant.
Trust in Bayes.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 03:14:30
November 24 2014 03:12 GMT
#522
On November 24 2014 11:42 wei2coolman wrote:
What do people recommend for typical jungle rune page? Are people running full AS for the most part? what about yellows? Hp per level? flat armor?

pretty sure not running armor yellows is suicide now.

since the machete on hit is a DoT effect there are probably some dimishing returns on full AS for both marks and quints, you can probably squeeze in some AD reds or AP quints on some champs and sustain is at such a premium that lifesteal might be situationally viable.

with increased monster health i wonder if Q max, spell vamp quint mundo might be a thing again, although i suspect his early clears are probably brutal no matter what kind of sustain you rune for, he had health issues even in the old jungle.

edit: yeah armor quints are always solid value too
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 03:23:14
November 24 2014 03:22 GMT
#523
Oh god, Maknoob is terrorizing solo queue with Poppy.

lol his team was just 15-25, now it's 23-26, after he made some massive fucking poppy plays, they just grabbed baron. ROFL. wut a god.
liftlift > tsm
TheWarWaffle
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada115 Posts
November 24 2014 03:22 GMT
#524
On November 24 2014 11:56 MidnightGladius wrote:
Also, how are people finding the stat-per-level normalizations? In my (few) games so far, solo laners have been playing super cautiously as a result of not being confident about when they can all-in successfully. I've been playing mostly support and jungle, and the change hasn't felt too significant.

I play mostly top lane, but the change isn't really that noticeable. Each champion has a bit more base health, but that doesn't affect the fundamentals of each match-up. I think the base health and armour changes wouldn't equate to more than a single auto attack (which, at higher levels, may promote more or less all-ins at certain levels depending on how knee-jerk people react). I think people are playing cautiously due to the new jungle and being unsure of gank timings.
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Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 03:27:15
November 24 2014 03:26 GMT
#525
oh i just read #1 soloqueue and automatically assumed mid or ADC

tsm can take two non-residents in theory right? bjergsen and lustboy both grandfathered in?
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
November 24 2014 03:32 GMT
#526
On November 24 2014 11:26 Fusilero wrote:
He's a jungle main so it can only be either CLG (If xmithie falls through), LMQ or some challenger team.

you act like NA doesn't force people all around roles all the time.
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
November 24 2014 03:45 GMT
#527
On November 24 2014 12:26 Celial wrote:
oh i just read #1 soloqueue and automatically assumed mid or ADC

tsm can take two non-residents in theory right? bjergsen and lustboy both grandfathered in?


I may be wrong but TSM cannot add any non-residents unless they are also exempt (eg. Helios).
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 03:49:05
November 24 2014 03:46 GMT
#528
On November 24 2014 12:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 11:26 Fusilero wrote:
He's a jungle main so it can only be either CLG (If xmithie falls through), LMQ or some challenger team.

you act like NA doesn't force people all around roles all the time.

Well, not when everyone from LCS technically signed junglers but LMQ.
And noone knows what's up with EG, but assuming that Monte said that Pobelter/Altec/Helios want to play together, guess it works.

ADC mains, gotta ask.
First of all, don't you consider hexdrinker/mom as core item instead of scimitar/banshees now, after negatron removal?

Second, Sivir. Is trinity force so bad that noone buys it in competitive, lol. From my plat scrub perspective, tf/shiv/lw or Corki's buildpath is sick legit because of duel potential/pushing//midgamefighting but probably I just don't see something important.
Plus Sivir never benefited a lot from ie/pd builds in general, being that raw damage splitpush fighter after riccochet rework and its interactions with ultimate.

*Rant about Warwick here, no question about it*
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 24 2014 04:01 GMT
#529
Don't use MR blues on champions with AP ratios, use flat AP instead. Don't use it on champions without ratios either, use flat CDR on them instead. Faster clear=more gold and exp to buy Mres with>Mres
Armor quints aren't always value, they are value only if you are exactly Rammus. In jungle that is.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 24 2014 05:16 GMT
#530
I think scaling CDR blue is almost universally better for junglers (I run 6 scaling CDR blues typically). Flat AP sucks unless you are Diana.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
November 24 2014 05:49 GMT
#531
Or Evelynn or Elise or Fiddlestix?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 24 2014 05:56 GMT
#532
Why does no one play trundle in the new jungle...

He's a Rockstar just like in S1. Farms well, scales well, hanks well, is Hella safe, and can counter jungle well (wins every duel, clears fast and healthily).

Real talk TL, play this champ.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 24 2014 05:57 GMT
#533
On November 24 2014 14:56 iCanada wrote:
Why does no one play trundle in the new jungle...

He's a Rockstar just like in S1. Farms well, scales well, hanks well, is Hella safe, and can counter jungle well (wins every duel, clears fast and healthily).

Real talk TL, play this champ.

Because you can play WW instead.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 24 2014 06:06 GMT
#534
On November 24 2014 14:49 Scip wrote:
Or Evelynn or Elise or Fiddlestix?


For Fiddle i don't know, but even for Elise I can definitely see the superiority of CDR. In fact people used to build CDR boots on her because less CD = more damage and stickiness.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 24 2014 06:13 GMT
#535
On November 24 2014 12:26 Celial wrote:
oh i just read #1 soloqueue and automatically assumed mid or ADC

tsm can take two non-residents in theory right? bjergsen and lustboy both grandfathered in?

No, they're exempt non residents. They still take up non-resident slots. Nobody has been in NA long enough to gain "residency."
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
November 24 2014 06:17 GMT
#536
On November 24 2014 15:13 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 12:26 Celial wrote:
oh i just read #1 soloqueue and automatically assumed mid or ADC

tsm can take two non-residents in theory right? bjergsen and lustboy both grandfathered in?

No, they're exempt non residents. They still take up non-resident slots. Nobody has been in NA long enough to gain "residency."

But they can take extra exempt non residents right?

(Also what happens if they just kick bjergsen, sign some korean guy, then rehire bjergsen as an exempt non resident :p )
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 24 2014 06:19 GMT
#537
On November 24 2014 15:17 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 15:13 Gahlo wrote:
On November 24 2014 12:26 Celial wrote:
oh i just read #1 soloqueue and automatically assumed mid or ADC

tsm can take two non-residents in theory right? bjergsen and lustboy both grandfathered in?

No, they're exempt non residents. They still take up non-resident slots. Nobody has been in NA long enough to gain "residency."

But they can take extra exempt non residents right?

(Also what happens if they just kick bjergsen, sign some korean guy, then rehire bjergsen as an exempt non resident :p )

I don't believe so, and I don't think teams would try that without risking the fine/game DQ hammer.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 24 2014 06:24 GMT
#538
Play Kha6 for the first time on new patch/jungle and holy crap, it's so incredibly hard. Even compared to Vi who has a paltry shield, I had to base so early and often with Kha6. Even with W max, it's difficult to sustain and do long jungle clears compared to Panth, Vi, Xin. Felt so inefficient that I'm not even sure it's worth trying again, zz.

The upside was with Stalkers, pretty much nothing could run away from you, between Chilling Smite + W slow.

I'll give Trundle a run tomorrow.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
November 24 2014 06:31 GMT
#539
On November 24 2014 15:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 14:49 Scip wrote:
Or Evelynn or Elise or Fiddlestix?


For Fiddle i don't know, but even for Elise I can definitely see the superiority of CDR. In fact people used to build CDR boots on her because less CD = more damage and stickiness.

Isn't it more for her e? Her mid-lategame is basically walk around being tanky and e'ing people as often as she can, so you want 40% cdr ASAP
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 07:53:01
November 24 2014 07:51 GMT
#540
Anyone asked for Warwick team composition win rate recently?

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