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[Patch 4.17] Soraka/Viktor General Discussion - Page 9

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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 20:53:36
September 25 2014 20:53 GMT
#161
?
no %maxtruehealthpurescalingdamageonhit
doesnt have 8 slows
only ult is gapcloser
pls

actually pseudo revive passive counts i guess
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 25 2014 20:53 GMT
#162
PBE says his base HP took a huge hit though.
And I assume the goal with his ult it to actually flank since it says nothing about him being cc-immune during his charge, a bit Shyvana-style, and then you can slow people with a Q or something.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 25 2014 20:56 GMT
#163
On September 26 2014 05:53 Alaric wrote:
PBE says his base HP took a huge hit though.
And I assume the goal with his ult it to actually flank since it says nothing about him being cc-immune during his charge, a bit Shyvana-style, and then you can slow people with a Q or something.


He gets major HP from W passive though.
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 25 2014 21:06 GMT
#164
On September 26 2014 05:22 GettingIt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 05:12 Requizen wrote:


What the fuck that was the worst intro video ever it was basically just a black screen.


It looks a bit better on the actual page, especially when you are reading the buildup pages before hand.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
September 25 2014 21:14 GMT
#165
lol@sion
might as well create a new champion and keep the old one for the lulz
this is a completely different champ
lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
September 25 2014 21:15 GMT
#166
On September 26 2014 05:45 739 wrote:
HOLY SHIT this new Sion rework :D

Seems pretty decent on paper, ult is pretty interesting, would be funny if you could actually charge half across the map, ganking machine :D


IMO it should last just as long as Rammus Q if not longer.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 25 2014 21:18 GMT
#167
On September 26 2014 06:14 RouaF wrote:
lol@sion
might as well create a new champion and keep the old one for the lulz
this is a completely different champ


They told us when they were first reworking that they were completely removing AP sion and instead making him an undead lifesteal attacker.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 25 2014 21:21 GMT
#168
So slightly OT, but who is Froskurinn and why is reddit telling me I should hate her?
SUNSFANNED
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 25 2014 21:36 GMT
#169
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 25 2014 21:39 GMT
#170
Sion rework seems pretty meh. W as before so everything depends on scaling, but Q seems just awful in general unless it deals insane amounts of damage and his E is just a very, very crappy version of his old stun. I guess his ult is... A poor man's Rammus Q? Meh. Not sure what he's supposed to do. Play Tryndamere?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
September 25 2014 21:41 GMT
#171
On September 26 2014 06:36 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:21 BrownBear wrote:
So slightly OT, but who is Froskurinn and why is reddit telling me I should hate her?


English caster for LPL.
She made very bold/uninformed(?) remarks about the NA/EU scene while on summoning insight. Heavily biased towards the Chinese scene. In a nutshell she wasn't impressed with NA/EU and rated Chinese teams very highly. Seeing how well NA is doing and OMG/EDG failing to impress, reddit already got their pitchforks out.

I think the most ridiculous part was that she thought Chinese teams would be able to win games against Korean teams. She was basically telling that Korea (>) China >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU = NA.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 21:43:21
September 25 2014 21:41 GMT
#172
English LPL caster and host of China Talk, a talk show about lpl.

I've never heard on the podcast that a chinese team would win against KR lol. Maybe she did say that CN will vastly outperform the west and tbh that's what a lot of people thought and should, based on S3 worlds and allstars.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 25 2014 21:45 GMT
#173
On September 26 2014 06:36 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:21 BrownBear wrote:
So slightly OT, but who is Froskurinn and why is reddit telling me I should hate her?


English caster for LPL.
She made very bold/uninformed(?) remarks about the NA/EU scene while on summoning insight. Heavily biased towards the Chinese scene. In a nutshell she wasn't impressed with NA/EU and rated Chinese teams very highly. Seeing how well NA is doing and OMG/EDG failing to impress, reddit already got their pitchforks out.


Gotcha, thanks. Thought it was gonna be juicier drama than typical neckbeard sexism :\
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 25 2014 21:47 GMT
#174
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Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 21:49:12
September 25 2014 21:48 GMT
#175
On September 26 2014 06:41 AlterKot wrote:
English LPL caster and host of China Talk, a talk show about lpl.

I've never heard on the podcast that a chinese team would win against KR lol. Maybe she did say that CN will vastly outperform the west and tbh that's what a lot of people thought and should, based on S3 worlds and allstars.

Pretty sure she thought EDG could "take games" off Korean teams. I may be wrong though I don't remember that well. I do remember namei being the "best adc in the world" though.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
September 25 2014 21:54 GMT
#176
Not sure why people are upset about a caster having an opinion on teams. I mean Riv the 3rd get's to say pretty much anything he wants while casting and no ones pitchforking his ass. Well no more then they did before anyway..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 25 2014 21:57 GMT
#177
On September 26 2014 06:47 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 06:41 Maluk wrote:
On September 26 2014 06:36 krndandaman wrote:
On September 26 2014 06:21 BrownBear wrote:
So slightly OT, but who is Froskurinn and why is reddit telling me I should hate her?


English caster for LPL.
She made very bold/uninformed(?) remarks about the NA/EU scene while on summoning insight. Heavily biased towards the Chinese scene. In a nutshell she wasn't impressed with NA/EU and rated Chinese teams very highly. Seeing how well NA is doing and OMG/EDG failing to impress, reddit already got their pitchforks out.

I think the most ridiculous part was that she thought Chinese teams would be able to win games against Korean teams. She was basically telling that Korea (>) China >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU = NA.


I think it's fine if she thought that. Obviously most people though China was closer to the level of EU/NA than Korea, but as an LPL caster her bias is understandable. The thing I found face-palm worthy was when she said things like Yellowstar can only play Leona when at the time he hadn't played Leona in half a year and was playing tons of Morg/Thresh. It showed that she didn't pay attention to the scene at all while making those bold generalizations.


A lot of people here are underestimating her ignorance of the western scenes and understating her vast overestimation of Chinese teams. A paraphrasing of her most egregious line from before the tournament would be, "this tournament will prove Cool to be a top 5 player of all time". On the recent chinatalk she also had the yellowstar comment, but also said something along the lines of "who did we see first bring out Janna" + "why are we seeing so much janna". Which is basically her saying, "I didn't watch the OGN worlds qualification tournament, or attempt to inform myself about it."
Freeeeeeedom
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 22:01:26
September 25 2014 22:00 GMT
#178
Froskurin literally said that OMG was going to lose their group, China talk was pretty pessimistic about pretty much everyone but EDG.
The rest about ignorance of other regions is pretty true though.
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-25 22:08:36
September 25 2014 22:03 GMT
#179
After a few more games, Viktor is utter trash when behind early.
It was already more or less the case pre-rework, as in any setback on getting your augment was huge in terms of being able to trade and fight back against pushers (1k in the bank can be a pretty big requirement if you're forced back early and they have a chalice or codex and all you have is maybe another dring), but once you had it you had a power spike that made you artificially "catch up" (even to a NLR) until their next purchase, though.
But now he doesn't have that power spike anymore, and he can't farm well either. Even with the E augment his farming is really worse.
And since his early levels are weaker to begin with...

Q only gives the shield after the animation (which is still long) so it's not that good.
R's redirection is bugged as fuck and basically only works when it fancies it.

Q augment is cute with the cd reduction and some CDR, but since you still have shit base stats (save for armour) and you need the Q animation to play out to receive the buff, any form of cc combined with a gapcloser means you'll die regardless. It's not that bad in very specific situations, but... very specific situations. So yeah.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 00:11:17
September 25 2014 23:26 GMT
#180
I wrote some stuff about new Viktor

See if you agree Alaric

edit: Url links not working?

boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ldrb7F20-riotsolcrushed-comments-on-the-not-so-glorious-evolution
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