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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
The logical standpoint would dictate "whichever you think is more likely to get a kill?". Which is less likely to jump away? Most ADCs have mobility, but many supports don't. Does one have Flash/Heal down? Supports are generally tanky, but before the first few items even Thresh and Braum can get killed quickly. Did one step out of position? Is one low from poke? It's hard to say "always focus this guy or that guy", because a lot of things can play into it. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
On August 06 2014 01:45 Alaric wrote: In his example, if you gank and burn everything on the AD and he doesn't die during the cc, a Thesh player worth his salt will maybe use his cc but most importantly run to his tower and drop his lantern under the AD. Unless you can prevent him from clicking the lantern (give hotkey to only target non-champions please D  , the AD will go away and you'll have gotten a back and maybe a summonner spell at best.So you'd rather focus Thresh and go for the sure kill (or turn on the AD if you can kill him and Thresh sticks around because of the initial focus). So in general, is it better to focus the target that you think you're more likely to kill - or that you have better chances of killing? Because that would make sense. I always just thought ADC simply because they do more damage output (except for maybe the early game?!?!?) and they are more often than not less durable than their supports. Again, I wasn't 100% sure so hence why I asked! EDIT: Rekt'd by Req | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
Obviously "always focus the adc" has an asterix, if the support has 1 hp, is in front of you, while the adc is at his fountain, you should not go past 3 towers, 2 nexus towers and dive the fountain. Howewer in most situations you always have to go for the adc, First of all, he has the deeps, if he is dead you are pretty much set, and he loses farm too. The later an adc reaches his mindless rightclick state, the better. Also, you risk a lot by focusing the support, because the longer it takes to kill him, the more damage his adc can dish out, and then it's an easy double kill for him. Worth? Not. Gank is a different thing, you kill the easiest target for sure, it's 3v2, so the rules change. It is a 2v2 rule to not go for the support. Like, if a Leona catches your adc the very first thing you have to do is walk up to HER adc. Also, some supports are tricky to kill, because they have a shield or heal. Sure, they can do the same with their adc, but he is most likely on the run, so worst case scenario he escapes, while if you focus the support, you either kill him or pretty much lose the lane right there. I'm so fucking annoyed when my adc starts shooting the low hp support, like who the hell cares if blitz is low, he already used all his skills, he is useless, go for the damn ad. There is a reason why you see supports sacrificing their lifes (like losing 50% hp only for dealing 15% hp loss to the enemy duo), and not vice versa, when their adc is too low on hp. It's because a supports very primary role in lane is to make sure his adc can farm, and if a fight breaks out, he will have the damage, you will have the cc/utility. On August 06 2014 01:51 Frudgey wrote: So in general, is it better to focus the target that you think you're more likely to kill - or that you have better chances of killing? Because that would make sense. I always just thought ADC simply because they do more damage output (except for maybe the early game?!?!?) and they are more often than not less durable than their supports. Again, I wasn't 100% sure so hence why I asked! EDIT: Rekt'd by Req "Hey, that supp is low, let's go on him!" ... "Awww maaan, so close. I hope that double kill on Draven won't bite us in the ass!" Killing someone is one perspective, getting killed is another. I already told you how easy it is to win all-inlanes passively with Janna. They engage on you, and it's gg, you have your shield, your knockup, and your w to trololololo away. Hell, sometimes I even shield my adc if I feel safe enough, to their demise. edit: and the adcs I tend to play nowadays seem to know this too. Whenever I'm caught they completely ignore their support and immidietly jump to their adc. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
It mostly comes down to who you can burst before he uses all his abilities. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On August 06 2014 03:07 justiceknight wrote: just got new patch today, is the 1:53 red/blue buff spawn intentional or bug? I suspect it is a bug, I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Are you possible to flash over projectiles? I mean are you able to flash on top of jinx's ult when it's going straight forward into you? | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On August 05 2014 14:49 Gahlo wrote: How doesn't it? I doubt anybody plays enough soloque games to qualify for law of large numbers. In addition, Law of Large #s doesn't apply anyway. Things like coin flips and dice rolls have set outcomes. Who matchmaking pulls out of a hat of thousands from differing size and valued pools has way too many shifting parts. LLN applies. The average of the sum of different distributions is the average of the distributions. You will not, over a sufficiently large number of games played, get more or less ragers than anyone else in your same bracket or who is raising/falling. There will be variance but unless you're the problem you will rise because of the LLN. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On August 05 2014 19:04 Gahlo wrote: I'm saying that, unlike systems like dice rolling or coin flipping, the pool of players that soloq pulls from isn't static. Because of this, I posit that for the Law of Large Numbers to apply, that somebody would need to play more games than they would realistically play in a season to make up for this variance across a large scale. Therefore, assuming that it would even out because of the 4:5 split, doesn't mean it will. The pool for each team is the same so if we are talking about the ratio then it must be the case that the ratio will stay at 5:4 with more on the enemy team. Unless that is you're doing something to create ragers and leavers. But that would be you and not your shitty teammates. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 06 2014 02:16 nafta wrote: Most supports do more damage than the ad early game and are easier to kill stats wise in an all in and don't have an escape/dodge cc ability. It mostly comes down to who you can burst before he uses all his abilities. Yet killing the adc is far more useful than killing the support, so if it's at all a choice of which to kill then you go for the adc 999,999/1,000,000. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
I always hated when the enemy sona was coming so obviously to q us, and my adc just chickens out. Jeez, jump on her, then she can spend lvl 2 and lvl 3 healing herself back (spending mana) and jugging potions. On the other hand, get one autoattack-q-powerchord autoattack combo, and good luck staying even in lane. Of course, there are lanes when you can't do much, like Lulu-Cait. You are either zoned, take free damage from Lulu, or try to go on Lulu while getting free damage from Cait. And yes, damagin non-sustain supports is important, and it's especially easy since they walk up to use their targon stack. Howewer, this can lead to disaster. Leona is lvl 3, half hp, jumps on the adc, and you tunnel Leona because she's half hp.Then you die and keep wondering how it could happen. Aside from the obvious exceptions, focusing the adc is almost always the better option, even if it does not seem so initially. Supports should treat their health and mana bars expendable anyway, as long as you don't go under 1 health. There are teamfights that can end very differently if you don't chicken out, even if you are below 100 hp. Just stay at the sides of battle and use your abilities from a distance. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 06 2014 03:36 Zdrastochye wrote: Yet killing the adc is far more useful than killing the support, so if it's at all a choice of which to kill then you go for the adc 999,999/1,000,000. That isn't really true either.It still is situational which is better.If you can freeze the lane and the ad already got the needed gold to buy whatever they wanted the support getting the solo xp for 6 can be much stronger than ad getting 100 more gold. Walking away from lane and backing takes pretty much the same time as dying early game. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Just as long as you're not touting yourself as the sole conveyor of factual information, I'm fine with us disagreeing - I won't lose any sleep over it. | ||
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