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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
June 18 2014 06:18 GMT
#121
On June 18 2014 14:56 IMoperator wrote:
so is there really nobody in here that thinks this lb nerf is too much? im the only one?


It only really hurts her dueling potential. Well that and it gives them more margin of error to flash away from you.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
June 18 2014 06:20 GMT
#122
On June 18 2014 14:56 IMoperator wrote:
so is there really nobody in here that thinks this lb nerf is too much? im the only one?


Uhh... You do realize that they were planning on gutting like half of her damage literally 2 weeks ago, and you're sad that they removed the Silence on her Q? She can still blow someone up in like 2 seconds, now it's just that she runs the risk of getting hit during her combo, so you can't go in when she's at like 2% health and pop the enemy ADC or something, deal with it.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
June 18 2014 06:22 GMT
#123
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?
@miicah88
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 18 2014 06:22 GMT
#124
People rarely play her in soloQ anyway (whose who does are 99% bad unless you are playing in challenger or something). No losses on that one.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:27:30
June 18 2014 06:25 GMT
#125
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:30:05
June 18 2014 06:27 GMT
#126
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?

toned down?l0l this nerf changes nothing
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.

bringing statistics on such small sample size is laughable
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 18 2014 06:30 GMT
#127
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:39:33
June 18 2014 06:37 GMT
#128
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:40:07
June 18 2014 06:38 GMT
#129
On June 18 2014 15:27 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?

toned down?l0l this nerf changes nothing
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.

bringing statistics on such small sample size is laughable

Small sample size? 100 games on each LCS is small size? I don't get it.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Riot_League_Championship_Series/North_America/2014_Season/Statistics/Spring_Round_Robin/Pick_and_Ban_Stats
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 18 2014 06:41 GMT
#130
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.


nerfs are not only based on LCS- and challenger-level games, as those groups make up the tiniest fraction of the entire LoL population
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 18 2014 06:43 GMT
#131
On June 18 2014 15:37 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq


her winrate in solo queue is already 45% lol, she's no.8 lowest winrate already: http://www.lolking.net/champions/

GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:47:23
June 18 2014 06:43 GMT
#132
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


That's not really saying much, given that she's been hovering near bottom 3 win rate in solo queue already. That being said, from 100 games in the NA LCS, she was picked/banned 82 times. The only champions that were picked/banned more were Thresh and Elise (84 and 93).
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
June 18 2014 06:43 GMT
#133
On June 18 2014 15:37 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq

Her winrate is already 45% in solo queue. Her being shitty in solo queue is nothing new
Platinum Support GOD
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-18 06:47:24
June 18 2014 06:44 GMT
#134
On June 18 2014 15:38 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:27 kongoline wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?

toned down?l0l this nerf changes nothing
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.

bringing statistics on such small sample size is laughable

Small sample size? 100 games on each LCS is small size? I don't get it.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Riot_League_Championship_Series/North_America/2014_Season/Statistics/Spring_Round_Robin/Pick_and_Ban_Stats
yes 100 games is small sample size, besides you must be the only person who thinks lucian is weak while ever pro adc main etc says he is top tier and overall too strong
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
June 18 2014 06:46 GMT
#135
On June 18 2014 15:41 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.


nerfs are not only based on LCS- and challenger-level games, as those groups make up the tiniest fraction of the entire LoL population

51.94% on lolking, better? He's like TOP15.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 18 2014 06:46 GMT
#136
On June 18 2014 15:43 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:37 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq

Her winrate is already 45% in solo queue. Her being shitty in solo queue is nothing new


Oh lol i always thought it was around 50%. And i thought it was only me that was fucking awful on leblanc
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 18 2014 06:48 GMT
#137
On June 18 2014 15:46 Bam Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:43 MattBarry wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:37 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq

Her winrate is already 45% in solo queue. Her being shitty in solo queue is nothing new


Oh lol i always thought it was around 50%. And i thought it was only me that was fucking awful on leblanc


That's the problem with high skill cap champions. Everybody wants them, but you have to balance them for the highest tier of play or they're just too strong.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 18 2014 06:55 GMT
#138
On June 18 2014 15:48 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:46 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:43 MattBarry wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:37 Bam Lee wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:30 IMoperator wrote:
Yeah, that nerf would've gutted her even more, but right now she's trash tier without silence. people think she's going to be fine, but I guarantee she goes to bottom 3 winrates, just like khazix and soraka after they got trashcanned by riot. LB's damage isnt the part that outtrades them, it was the silence that made the other mid unable to fight back. Now she's going to get rekt in lane by basically anyone, because she's like one of the squishiest champions in the game already, and without her silence she has a total of 0 trading potential.


This.
Ofc she can still instagib you once she has items, but her laning phase will be pretty tough.No more easy trading in the laning phase. There is no way you are going to stay unharmed before the chain kicks in now

edit: Tbh this could totally break her, but lets see what the pro players think about it. I personally dont see much of a reason to pick her if she cant dominate her lane and the midgame anymore due to the snowballing. I can see her winrate being below 50% in soloq

Her winrate is already 45% in solo queue. Her being shitty in solo queue is nothing new


Oh lol i always thought it was around 50%. And i thought it was only me that was fucking awful on leblanc


That's the problem with high skill cap champions. Everybody wants them, but you have to balance them for the highest tier of play or they're just too strong.


I always thought she was kinda like riven. To a certain degree everybody knows how to do the most simple rotation of skills and people at lower skill levels are just surprised by the huge damage and get wrecked. But i guess its hard for people to stay alive with leblanc.

Different topic:
Did anybody play around with the new bloodthirster and the overhealing passive? Or does anybody have any theories on it? I have a hard time evaluating the passive and cant really form an opinion on it.
Is Lifesteal stacking a possibility now on adc?
On bruisers i dont see it being better than ravenous hydra
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 18 2014 06:58 GMT
#139
On June 18 2014 15:46 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2014 15:41 gtrsrs wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:25 739 wrote:
On June 18 2014 15:22 miicah wrote:
On June 18 2014 14:52 kongoline wrote:
LOL that lucian nerf, what is riot thinking ?


On June 18 2014 15:01 739 wrote:


Also that Lucian nerf, wadafaq.


Seriously? He has been pretty much the #1 ADC (debatable with Twitch VU) for the majority of this season and you wonder why they toned him down a little?


41.8% winrate in NA LCS Spring Round Robin is not omgplsnerfwadafaqOP.
34.8% in EU LCS Spring

Come on.


nerfs are not only based on LCS- and challenger-level games, as those groups make up the tiniest fraction of the entire LoL population

51.94% on lolking, better? He's like TOP15.


he's essentially the winningest ADC
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 18 2014 07:14 GMT
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