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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.

Enough is enough. Let's move along now.

-NeoIllusions
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 20:57:55
June 09 2014 20:42 GMT
#1241
Does it refund the energy too?

(I just had a guy pick Blitz mid vs TF. What.
And a retard picking Garen after Kayle and spamming assist pings. Duh.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
June 09 2014 20:44 GMT
#1242
On June 10 2014 05:05 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:51 Goumindong wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:31 Frolossus wrote:
i think what is happening is that the silence component is being removed from really lb/kass because generally the mechanic was tied to their main harass in lane and made it impossible trade against


Most forms of ranged point and click cc are being shuffled out.

The only ones left are alistar, Annie, fiddlesticks, ryze, soraka, lulu, taric, Warwick, twisted fate, sion, Kayle, and nunu.

Ok that seems like a lot but Ali requires a combo, Annie requires a charge (and tends to prefer the non-point/click spells), ryze has a really low duration, roka/lulu/fiddlesticks/taric don't do damage, Warwick is his ult, sion is terrible, and nunu is only a slow. That leaves tf and Kayle as the only ones who can effectively follow up their own point and click cc at all points in the game, with ryze as the third post level 13. Given that none of these champions has tea fight mobility I can see why they think it's out of line.


Taric E actually does damage. Or did you mean "noteworthy" damage?


Roka's silence does as well, but not enough to matter. Unless Taric is right next to you, his E is basically zero damage. I mean not actually zero but 160+.2 AP at rank 5 is pretty low especially considering taric tends to rank it second or third. Since i was excluding point and click melee range CC i wasn't considering its potential melee range damage.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 09 2014 20:45 GMT
#1243
Friend was playing Fizz, he claimed that his GA didn't go off when he died on his troll pole.
liftlift > tsm
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
June 09 2014 20:49 GMT
#1244
Recently two of my friends claim to have gotten the homeguard buff without buying the enchantment. Weird bug.
Call me Sunday
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 09 2014 20:53 GMT
#1245
On June 10 2014 05:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:44 xes wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:36 Frolossus wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:31 Frolossus wrote:
i think what is happening is that the silence component is being removed from really lb/kass because generally the mechanic was tied to their main harass in lane and made it impossible trade against

Kass was less problematic in lane in regards to the silence component, but during roams it was annoying as fuck, cuz he got such silly mobility along with the silence.

it did always feel like he hit 6 and you couldn't do much as an AP mid

at least pre 6 you could shut him down pretty hard with most mids, not quite the case with leblanc.

Before the R buff that allowed Leblanc's W max tech it was a lot easier to shove her in and deny and she made basically 0 impact competitively

Also back then Mid lane was not yet just another Jungle camp

it wasn't so much the R change as it was Riot moving all the damage from her Q to her W.

The idea was to make it so Leblanc had to be more risky if she wanted to do her full damage output since it would require her to use her escape/mobility move and also puts her in melee range. The problem is that combined with her Q silence, there's no way for the enemy to retaliate plus the W mechanic means that Leblanc realistically will only be close to the enemy for a fraction of a second. Leblanc getting more waveclear as a result is jsut the cherry on top that makes her even stronger than intended.

It was a good change in theory, but the balance team didn't really think it through.


? the only way her Q damage was changed in the last year was they made detonation and initial the same amount. The ult change is the problem.
Carrilord has arrived.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 09 2014 21:06 GMT
#1246
On June 10 2014 05:42 Alaric wrote:
Does it refund the energy too?

(I just had a guy pick Blitz mid vs TF. What.
And a retard picking Garen after Kayle and spamming assist pings. Duh.)

It does refund the energy when Shen dashes a corpse. So I heard a while back.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 09 2014 21:15 GMT
#1247
On June 10 2014 05:18 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:05 Fusilero wrote:

Oh my

this is a nice change, it was sort of annoying how she could burst you for like 3 quarters of your health, and you couldn't respond with a trade of your own.


Or they can just change her W to do reduced damage vs minions.


I think the silence alone might be enough to put her back into a reasonable spot.


Yes, but W changes is a lot safer. You remove her silence and it is hard to tell exactly what is going to happen. It might Olaf her, or solve nothing of her problems.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 09 2014 21:24 GMT
#1248
On June 10 2014 06:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 05:18 Numy wrote:
On June 10 2014 05:11 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:05 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/moobeat/status/476074891985559552
Oh my

this is a nice change, it was sort of annoying how she could burst you for like 3 quarters of your health, and you couldn't respond with a trade of your own.


Or they can just change her W to do reduced damage vs minions.


I think the silence alone might be enough to put her back into a reasonable spot.


Yes, but W changes is a lot safer. You remove her silence and it is hard to tell exactly what is going to happen. It might Olaf her, or solve nothing of her problems.


I think the issue with changing W is that it could potentially remove her farming potential which would just bring her back to obscurity that she was in before. The silence seems like a nice small change that may have a big enough effect while not taking her all the way back.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 09 2014 21:32 GMT
#1249
On June 10 2014 05:53 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 05:14 Ryuu314 wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:44 xes wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:36 Frolossus wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:31 Frolossus wrote:
i think what is happening is that the silence component is being removed from really lb/kass because generally the mechanic was tied to their main harass in lane and made it impossible trade against

Kass was less problematic in lane in regards to the silence component, but during roams it was annoying as fuck, cuz he got such silly mobility along with the silence.

it did always feel like he hit 6 and you couldn't do much as an AP mid

at least pre 6 you could shut him down pretty hard with most mids, not quite the case with leblanc.

Before the R buff that allowed Leblanc's W max tech it was a lot easier to shove her in and deny and she made basically 0 impact competitively

Also back then Mid lane was not yet just another Jungle camp

it wasn't so much the R change as it was Riot moving all the damage from her Q to her W.

The idea was to make it so Leblanc had to be more risky if she wanted to do her full damage output since it would require her to use her escape/mobility move and also puts her in melee range. The problem is that combined with her Q silence, there's no way for the enemy to retaliate plus the W mechanic means that Leblanc realistically will only be close to the enemy for a fraction of a second. Leblanc getting more waveclear as a result is jsut the cherry on top that makes her even stronger than intended.

It was a good change in theory, but the balance team didn't really think it through.


? the only way her Q damage was changed in the last year was they made detonation and initial the same amount. The ult change is the problem.

that changed nerfed the damage on Q, prompting people to start maxing W first. Plus, R changes also made it so that you didn't need to max Q to get her maximum damage potential. Again, shifting skill order priority to W over Q.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 09 2014 21:49 GMT
#1250
On June 10 2014 04:15 TheYango wrote:
Cho'Gath, so forgotten.

I feel like if they reduced the delay on his Q/W Chogath would be a top pick toplane.
He has sustain most characters can only dream about tbh.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 22:02:49
June 09 2014 22:00 GMT
#1251
They nerfed Sigil by like 15 damage at rank 5, the only change was that it used to do 75% of it's damage up front, and now it's 50/50

the ult change is the change
Carrilord has arrived.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
June 09 2014 22:01 GMT
#1252
the lb silence change just butchered her hard lol. She can't trade in lane anymore, because when you go in you'll be squishier than like 99% of champs in the game AND you can be cc'd/killed when trying to trade. I guess riot only wants to see kayle/ziggs/yasuo
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 09 2014 22:06 GMT
#1253
Am I the only one who has a pet peeve for those players who type in perfect punctuation and capitalization Every. Single. Sentence. during game? It might just be me but its an online game and people who do that seem to be trying too hard to sound intelligent.
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 09 2014 22:07 GMT
#1254
Tristana
Rocket Jump ( W ) mana cost reduced to 60 at all ranks from 80
Buster Shot ( R ) range reduced to 550 from 700 [ will need to confirm ]


There's no way that ult change is actually going through. That'd be the dumbest thing ever.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
June 09 2014 22:11 GMT
#1255
On June 10 2014 07:06 MooMooMugi wrote:
Am I the only one who has a pet peeve for those players who type in perfect punctuation and capitalization Every. Single. Sentence. during game? It might just be me but its an online game and people who do that seem to be trying too hard to sound intelligent.


hahah, you would hate me in any ranked game. I've got a ~1k line text file full of people reacting in funny ways to me being polite and enthusiastic with perfect grammar.
:3
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
June 09 2014 22:11 GMT
#1256
On June 10 2014 07:07 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
Tristana
Rocket Jump ( W ) mana cost reduced to 60 at all ranks from 80
Buster Shot ( R ) range reduced to 550 from 700 [ will need to confirm ]


There's no way that ult change is actually going through. That'd be the dumbest thing ever.

My guess is that they're gonna make her ult range scale with her passive similar to how her E works. Otherwise that's a really really random nerf out of the blue.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
June 09 2014 22:13 GMT
#1257
On June 10 2014 07:06 MooMooMugi wrote:
Am I the only one who has a pet peeve for those players who type in perfect punctuation and capitalization Every. Single. Sentence. during game? It might just be me but its an online game and people who do that seem to be trying too hard to sound intelligent.


I'm not sure how much effort it's really taking them. I've ALWAYS typed using proper punctuation/grammar/etc. (you know, for the most part, nobody's perfect) and so I don't even have to think about it when I'm typing. I'm not "trying to sound intelligent", it's just how I've ALWAYS typed and communicated and so it doesn't take any effort at all for me to continue doing that, regardless of whether I'm on a forum, chatting with a friend through skype, texting, or communicating mid-game.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 22:19:40
June 09 2014 22:14 GMT
#1258
On June 10 2014 07:07 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
Tristana
Rocket Jump ( W ) mana cost reduced to 60 at all ranks from 80
Buster Shot ( R ) range reduced to 550 from 700 [ will need to confirm ]


There's no way that ult change is actually going through. That'd be the dumbest thing ever.

Awww
It's gonna be hard to disengage now. When you get ganked as Trist, the ult often stops the jungler from being able to initiate on you and your support. But at that range you have to wait for them to initiate before you disengage with your ult on them.

W is a bit of a trap ability imo. You give yourself this huge boost early game if the enemy team groups and you do a trampoline move but if you just start maxing Q halfway through laning you have such a smoother transition after that brief window where trampoline does decent damage before 250 magic is less than the damage other champions get from their scaling.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 22:25:18
June 09 2014 22:16 GMT
#1259
It's my 3rd game in a row where both teams have a Silver+Plat duo, in high Gold. Literally. Literally literally, I mean. And it's infuriating, no matter how it goes.

Edit: make it 4th. The fuck.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 09 2014 22:22 GMT
#1260
On June 10 2014 07:16 Alaric wrote:
It's my 3rd game in a row where both teams have a Silver+Plat duo, in high Gold. Literally. Literally literally, I mean. And it's infuriating, no matter how it goes.


lol sorry
(i'm a plat player who often duo's with silver/bronze friends because they refuse to play normals)
No I'm never serious.
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