EPT[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 62
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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kongoline
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On June 10 2014 01:13 Nemireck wrote: A good coach, a better jungler, and a MUCH better support. I don't know who's in charge of player recruitment but Amazing and Gleeb were both terrible calls to my eyes. Not once this split have I watched TSM lose and went "if only Gleeb played better they'd have a shot". I mean he's no Xspecial, but he's decent enough. Doesn't make big plays, haven't seen him made huge fuck ups either. Most losses were due to Amazing misplays (some crucial missed Q's and WTFlashes in his Lee games, not to mention his lackluster other champion pool, Dyrus going full derp (seriously, what was that LMQ game?), Bjergsen suddenly not making the difference and only ever going even, but most of all due to colossal failures of calls, rotations and map movement. I think a good coach is just what they need and they still have the potential to be top of NA. Amazing has played much better on CW than the last few weeks on TSM so he's likely just slumping, Dyrus has shown he can be consistantly decent in the past, Bjergsen needs to refind his carry pants and Wildturtle needs to play up to his usual level unlike some games this split. tl:dr: TSM players have been slumping almost universally but still mainly lost due to bad strategy/rotations/calls. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:31 Frolossus wrote: i think what is happening is that the silence component is being removed from really lb/kass because generally the mechanic was tied to their main harass in lane and made it impossible trade against Kass was less problematic in lane in regards to the silence component, but during roams it was annoying as fuck, cuz he got such silly mobility along with the silence. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:33 wei2coolman wrote: Kass was less problematic in lane in regards to the silence component, but during roams it was annoying as fuck, cuz he got such silly mobility along with the silence. it did always feel like he hit 6 and you couldn't do much as an AP mid | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:36 Frolossus wrote: it did always feel like he hit 6 and you couldn't do much as an AP mid at least pre 6 you could shut him down pretty hard with most mids, not quite the case with leblanc. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote: at least pre 6 you could shut him down pretty hard with most mids, not quite the case with leblanc. since the changes to passive gold,xp etc theres no shutting down before 6 in this game anymore | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I also agree with kongoline the real reason Kass finally hit critical mass of banned until reworked was lvls 1-5 meaning jack shit in this version of the game. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:42 kongoline wrote: since the changes to passive gold,xb etc theres no shutting down before 6 in this game anymore which is a real fucking shame, since being behind in cs doesn't really mean all that much | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:39 wei2coolman wrote: at least pre 6 you could shut him down pretty hard with most mids, not quite the case with leblanc. Before the R buff that allowed Leblanc's W max tech it was a lot easier to shove her in and deny and she made basically 0 impact competitively Also back then Mid lane was not yet just another Jungle camp | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:31 Frolossus wrote: i think what is happening is that the silence component is being removed from really lb/kass because generally the mechanic was tied to their main harass in lane and made it impossible trade against Most forms of ranged point and click cc are being shuffled out. The only ones left are alistar, Annie, fiddlesticks, ryze, soraka, lulu, taric, Warwick, twisted fate, sion, Kayle, and nunu. Ok that seems like a lot but Ali requires a combo, Annie requires a charge (and tends to prefer the non-point/click spells), ryze has a really low duration, roka/lulu/fiddlesticks/taric don't do damage, Warwick is his ult, sion is terrible, and nunu is only a slow. That leaves tf and Kayle as the only ones who can effectively follow up their own point and click cc at all points in the game, with ryze as the third post level 13. Given that none of these champions has tea fight mobility I can see why they think it's out of line. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:44 xes wrote: Before the R buff that allowed Leblanc's W max tech it was a lot easier to shove her in and deny and she made basically 0 impact competitively Also back then Mid lane was not yet just another Jungle camp most definitely, i should have made it clear, comparing pre-rework kass, with fotm-leblanc (in her current state). | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:51 Goumindong wrote: Most forms of ranged point and click cc are being shuffled out. The only ones left are alistar, Annie, fiddlesticks, ryze, soraka, lulu, taric, Warwick, twisted fate, sion, Kayle, and nunu. Ok that seems like a lot but Ali requires a combo, Annie requires a charge (and tends to prefer the non-point/click spells), ryze has a really low duration, roka/lulu/fiddlesticks/taric don't do damage, Warwick is his ult, sion is terrible, and nunu is only a slow. That leaves tf and Kayle as the only ones who can effectively follow up their own point and click cc at all points in the game, with ryze as the third post level 13. Given that none of these champions has tea fight mobility I can see why they think it's out of line. Taric E actually does damage. Or did you mean "noteworthy" damage? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:08 wei2coolman wrote: this is a nice change, it was sort of annoying how she could burst you for like 3 quarters of your health, and you couldn't respond with a trade of your own. Or they can just change her W to do reduced damage vs minions. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 10 2014 04:44 xes wrote: Before the R buff that allowed Leblanc's W max tech it was a lot easier to shove her in and deny and she made basically 0 impact competitively Also back then Mid lane was not yet just another Jungle camp it wasn't so much the R change as it was Riot moving all the damage from her Q to her W. The idea was to make it so Leblanc had to be more risky if she wanted to do her full damage output since it would require her to use her escape/mobility move and also puts her in melee range. The problem is that combined with her Q silence, there's no way for the enemy to retaliate plus the W mechanic means that Leblanc realistically will only be close to the enemy for a fraction of a second. Leblanc getting more waveclear as a result is jsut the cherry on top that makes her even stronger than intended. It was a good change in theory, but the balance team didn't really think it through. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 10 2014 05:11 Sufficiency wrote: Or they can just change her W to do reduced damage vs minions. I think the silence alone might be enough to put her back into a reasonable spot. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
pretty troll. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On June 10 2014 05:28 turdburgler wrote: found a cool bug with rengar. sometimes when he dies (dies with ult up?) you still get the ! indicator even though he is dead and you are just near his body. pretty troll. I've accidentally shen taunted corpses and it still gives the sound when you taunt someone | ||
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