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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things.
Enough is enough. Let's move along now.
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On June 14 2014 15:01 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 10:09 Kinie wrote:On June 14 2014 10:04 Fusilero wrote:On June 14 2014 07:05 Alaric wrote:
Vi ult still bugged. I ult Kassadin in the middle of our team. He ults during the suppression and gets over a wall and survives under 150 HP.
Later in the same game, I ult him, he doesn't get away. I pressed Q to start charging and release to lock him down. I stay stuck in Q charging animation for the full 3 seconds, the spell never casts (I'm using smartcast).
And Riot didn't even acknowledge that she's bugged. They just ignored every single issue related to her so far after the initial QoL.
:< Didn't that Q lockup bug happen in LCS to voyadominar I find it bizarre that shen has been disabled for like over a month now but vi still runs around bugged up The Vi bugs is relatively simple to fix with a simple client restart. Most of the current bugs (particle glitches, CD timer on ult/activated item) are fixed that way, it's just annoying to have it happen every 2-3 games. Which is odd, because it's never happened to me and I used to play a ton of Vi and Varus(who has the same issue with his Q.) Karthus jungle is legit. Maybe not competitive, but legit.
Azingy does it and Nightblue says it's the best jungler in the game.
+ Show Spoiler +Tried it sans spell vamp and died to wolves
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can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE.
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On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE.
probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it
something like that im sure
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On June 14 2014 15:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE. probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it something like that im sure
You get ganked out the yin yang with the current crop of junglers. Because you're a natural pusher without an escape or tonnes of self peel, you're exposed pretty regularly. Lee Sin, Elise, Evelynn etc all eat you alive.
That said, your damage is WTF out of this world levels of bonkers. You should try building DFG Malz sometimes. It's fun 100-0ing Mundo.
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malzahar is one of those champs that looks really broken on paper but in practice is just meh.
Some of his biggest faults
1. that "safe waveclear/easy farm" is most likely your main burst ability that you are leveling up first. once you start playing smart players they are going to punish you everytime you go up to start it on a wave, that takes its toll quickly.
2. his ult/skillset leaves a lot to be desired in the current meta, instead of being considered decent range he is actually a bit short in range in this poke/mobility game.
3. very predictable, hard to foster creativity as he's a one trick pony with nonexistant mobility
4. not mobile
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On June 14 2014 15:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
malzahar is one of those champs that looks really broken on paper but in practice is just meh.
Some of his biggest faults
1. that "safe waveclear/easy farm" is most likely your main burst ability that you are leveling up first. once you start playing smart players they are going to punish you everytime you go up to start it on a wave, that takes its toll quickly.
2. his ult/skillset leaves a lot to be desired in the current meta, instead of being considered decent range he is actually a bit short in range in this poke/mobility game.
3. very predictable, hard to foster creativity as he's a one trick pony with nonexistant mobility
4. not mobile
The lack of mobility wouldn't be so bad if he had some form of hard aoe CC that wasn't hard to hit.
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On June 14 2014 15:51 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 15:43 arb wrote:On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE. probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it something like that im sure You get ganked out the yin yang with the current crop of junglers. Because you're a natural pusher without an escape or tonnes of self peel, you're exposed pretty regularly. Lee Sin, Elise, Evelynn etc all eat you alive. That said, your damage is WTF out of this world levels of bonkers. You should try building DFG Malz sometimes. It's fun 100-0ing Mundo.
i usually go rylai liandry for the retarded burn and the almost 3k hp, haven't tried dfg because i play a more utility style of teamfight than just the fuck you 1shot
maybe it's worth a try though
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On June 14 2014 16:17 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 15:51 JazzVortical wrote:On June 14 2014 15:43 arb wrote:On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE. probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it something like that im sure You get ganked out the yin yang with the current crop of junglers. Because you're a natural pusher without an escape or tonnes of self peel, you're exposed pretty regularly. Lee Sin, Elise, Evelynn etc all eat you alive. That said, your damage is WTF out of this world levels of bonkers. You should try building DFG Malz sometimes. It's fun 100-0ing Mundo. i usually go rylai liandry for the retarded burn and the almost 3k hp, haven't tried dfg because i play a more utility style of teamfight than just the fuck you 1shot maybe it's worth a try though
dfg malz is pretty lulz to try. The key to is to have ridiculous vision control, and camp bushes for rotations.
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On June 14 2014 15:43 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE. probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it something like that im sure
I love underplayed mids and I wrote whole long rant about why Malz is awful...lemme see if I can find it.
His skills are bad:
Q is great...if you hit it. It's delay makes it absurdly inconsistent and straight up impossible to land on an enemy with a moveblock. Its range is actually poor because you have to place it directly ahead or ontop of your target due to delay, so you put yourself in danger even trying to use it on anyone not dumb enough to just walk into it.
W is basically worthless without his ult. Nobody is going to stand in it. Its also stupidly expensive..
E puts him in terrible danger from nearly every gap closer in the game if used directly, and is over 4 looong seconds. Which is awful because you are going to be so fucking dead by around second number 3 because you have no CC and no escape. Great for farming though (but not as good as ziggs or viktor or a real fast clear skill).
Basically your kit is worthless and unusable except for farming without your ult, because you wont be able to land W or Q consistantly without it, and you'll be dead before E does any damage if you can't hold them for the duration. Malz ult has a really long CD, when its down you are a sitting duck with the threat level of cabbage.
With ult you are a fearsome duelist...unless anyone else shows up and interrupts you, which will negate at least 60% of your already insanely conditional damage output and instantly lead you you dying as you just get gangbanged by whoever you were trying to ult and their teammate as you try to slowly float away with every skill on CD.
You cant start off a teamfight with ult obviously, you have to sit wayyy back and thow your impossible to hit Q and hope someone gets wayyy out of position. You can't even use your E until shit hits the fan really, as if someone is that close you are probably dead. So even in an ideal teamfight where you land like 2 great Q's his overall damage output is just terrible compared to an actually decent mid like Ahri or Karthus or LB or Ziggs or Ori or anyone who can actually use their full spell rotation. And his single target is bad anyway because 90% of the time he doesn't even get to pick who he ults. He's lucky if he gets an opportunity to ult at all.
So he's basically completely worthless except in a 1v1 situation when he has ult up. The second a jungler shows up or his ult is down he is completely defenseless and has no damage output. His teamfight is garbage unless you are massively ahead and would have won anyway, or the other team are morons and don't save a single interrupt for him. I'm not even gonna bring up QSS because I don't think that has anything to do with how shit Malz is. Unless the situation is PERFECT, he just sits there and does basically nothing.
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On June 14 2014 16:21 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2014 16:17 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On June 14 2014 15:51 JazzVortical wrote:On June 14 2014 15:43 arb wrote:On June 14 2014 15:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone tell me why malzahar is so bad? if someone builds qss, you just ult someone else, and you just save your ult to peel for your ad in big teamfights so the fact that it freezes you in place isn't really a big deal. super safe farming, and retarded damage with just liandries. AND VOIDLINGS ARE SO CUTE. probably something about immobile even though he can cast everything but his ult on the move, and it all does good damage. or someone thats a top player said he sucked and no one plays him cause of it something like that im sure You get ganked out the yin yang with the current crop of junglers. Because you're a natural pusher without an escape or tonnes of self peel, you're exposed pretty regularly. Lee Sin, Elise, Evelynn etc all eat you alive. That said, your damage is WTF out of this world levels of bonkers. You should try building DFG Malz sometimes. It's fun 100-0ing Mundo. i usually go rylai liandry for the retarded burn and the almost 3k hp, haven't tried dfg because i play a more utility style of teamfight than just the fuck you 1shot maybe it's worth a try though dfg malz is pretty lulz to try. The key to is to have ridiculous vision control, and camp bushes for rotations.
Yeah my usual build is Liandries and Rylais too (I usually get Morello first though). Also Spell vamp Malz is another one to try when you're feeling something different.
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I used to think the key to Malz was to be able to do max range spam all the buttons in a split second. I tried it out and it was hard. I've given up on that dream and just use his abilities when I think the reward is worth the risk of the skills missing so he's not really going to initiate except with ult when he knows the team can follow up.
Malz is fun. Played him as my goto mid all S3 and some of S2.
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On June 13 2014 07:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
No, I'm not criticizing the definition, just rather that he uses it so much, to the point where it becomes more and more obnoxious. Kind of like Rivington and "hard-hats."
Deman uses "rattling" in just about every sentence.
He even used rattling to describe a team moving towards the top lane...
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Ok so on another note can we discuss what you actually skill-order on AP Ezreal? I see all these shit guides but nobody actually seems to read the skills.
lets look at what you gain for leveling each skill
Q: 20physical damage, .5 seconds off of a very low CD that reduces all your other CD's when landed.
W. 45 magic damage
E. 50 magic damage, 2 seconds off the CD of your escape/reposition
I seriously don't know what to max 1st and second....
Q is gonna do around 100 physical damage at level one, 125 at lvl2, on a super shorts CD
W is gonna do 100 magic damage, 145 at lvl2, always on 9 second CD
E is 105 magic, 155 at lvl 2, on a fat but decreasing CD.
By level 4 you get 2 Q's for every W...and that's not even factoring in the CDR they give you, they also help CS which W does nothing for. Also a significant ult cooldown reduction. I just have no idea what to put points into.
WE max is classic but I really wonder if the CDR from Q is better. Its really confusing. You're gonna want to be running hybrid pen too to boost his struggly early and midgame.
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I thought Q max first was standard for AP Ez. The early game resistances/armor doesn't make a big difference, so overall the shorter CD and spammability of Q makes it better choice I thought.
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I played around with max cdr tanky build malzahar that was based around just spamming everything from afar and having at least 1 voidling out at a time, with 2 most of the time. If someone jumps on you you could ult them and the voidlings rip them into pieces. It had decent success.
By tanky I just mean Athenes/Hourglass.
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On June 14 2014 18:37 Shikyo wrote:
I played around with max cdr tanky build malzahar that was based around just spamming everything from afar and having at least 1 voidling out at a time, with 2 most of the time. If someone jumps on you you could ult them and the voidlings rip them into pieces. It had decent success.
By tanky I just mean Athenes/Hourglass.
You mean standard ap build?
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LOL Athenes Hourglass sounds like ... standard build for my AP's :D
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Malzahar is just a weird champion. I swear everytime I've seen it picked the player looses half his IQ in the process, no joke. Every single one I've seen just does retarded shit worthy of bronze.
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There are apparently 33 champions that are less played than Malzahar, which I find strange. I think I've seen one this season. How is he more popular than Mundo?!
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Maybe he's popular in normals? I really don't know.
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