• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:57
CET 18:57
KST 02:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League65Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? [Recap] 0-6 Defeat for Mong's Team BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [BSL23] RO24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11086 users

[Patch 4.4] CUDDLY INCOMING! ヽ(*・ω・)ノ - Page 67

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 65 66 67 68 69 158 Next
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 24 2014 17:13 GMT
#1321
you get to feel good about yourself when you smash bads and they think you're on a pro team
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 24 2014 17:14 GMT
#1322
On March 25 2014 02:13 Kyrie wrote:
you get to feel good about yourself when you smash bads and they think you're on a pro team

this


and also i've found out that i actually get my role way more often because people think im an lmq smurf.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 17:14 GMT
#1323
You guys think its worth buying Mecha Khazix for the more apparent isolated indicator?
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 17:22:57
March 24 2014 17:17 GMT
#1324
On March 25 2014 01:01 silencefc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 00:57 Duvon wrote:
I thought you maxed W on Trist to all in all the time...


People haven't done that since Barrier was put into SR.


Yeah I really miss running ignite on Trist.. maybe I will start running it again against weaker supports. She really doesn't need barrier late game with her jump and self-peel, and those lvl 2 all ins with ignite so stronk.

Also, I like Sponkz's build of vamp first then BF, it can be pretty tough to do decent in lane while holding out for BF as a first buy.
I got nothin'...
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 24 2014 17:17 GMT
#1325
idk about that but it's one of the best skins in the game so i would buy it just cause of that
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 17:18 GMT
#1326
On March 25 2014 02:17 IMoperator wrote:
idk about that but it's one of the best skins in the game so i would buy it just cause of that

I like the skin too but seems like being able to see a big red target instead of a small circle would be pretty nice
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 24 2014 17:20 GMT
#1327
I met two LMQ tagged people in ranked already. Both time on the opposite side. Both sucked.

If anything it makes me play more seriously and aggressively.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 24 2014 17:26 GMT
#1328
Trist level 2 all-in nerfed with the removal of improved Exhauster mastery though.

And you skip promos if you're at least a full tier ahead of your current division, so... unlikely.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
March 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#1329
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 24 2014 17:37 GMT
#1330
On March 25 2014 02:34 Dark_Chill wrote:
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.

He got like 50 million nerfs to his burst damage back in the day. I think he could do with some nerf reverts, but knowing Riot they'll probably never touch him until they decide to "rework" him.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 24 2014 17:38 GMT
#1331
On March 25 2014 02:34 Dark_Chill wrote:
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.

Riot really mis-managed how they nerfed Graves imo. The problem was that he was doing so much ability damage AND scaled into lategame with strong AS steroid. They decided to nerf his ability burst, rather than nerf his steroid, which would have probably been better way to go about it. But they decided to homogenize his power curve.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
March 24 2014 17:41 GMT
#1332
i despise graves' design, may he never see the light of day again
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 17:45:08
March 24 2014 17:42 GMT
#1333
On March 25 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 02:34 Dark_Chill wrote:
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.

Riot really mis-managed how they nerfed Graves imo. The problem was that he was doing so much ability damage AND scaled into lategame with strong AS steroid. They decided to nerf his ability burst, rather than nerf his steroid, which would have probably been better way to go about it. But they decided to homogenize his power curve.

Honestly lucian/jinx not existing and weaker supports had a lot to do with his power too.Also barrier not existing.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
March 24 2014 17:51 GMT
#1334
On March 25 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 02:34 Dark_Chill wrote:
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.

Riot really mis-managed how they nerfed Graves imo. The problem was that he was doing so much ability damage AND scaled into lategame with strong AS steroid. They decided to nerf his ability burst, rather than nerf his steroid, which would have probably been better way to go about it. But they decided to homogenize his power curve.


Uhh they did nerf his steroid, as well as his base AS which is a double nerf to his steroid.

Of course they also nerfed his ability damage.

I think they could undo a LOT of Graves' nerfs and he'd be fine. He really shone in an era without Draven, Lucian or Jinx (other lane dominators) and when everyone ran double AP / AoE comps where his huge burst and AoE was really synergistic. Graves has a really sad time vs Trundle, Nasus, Renekton etc.
I am the Town Medic.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 18:08:06
March 24 2014 18:02 GMT
#1335
RIP Graves.

Got wrecked too many times by Rito. Every patch nerf GG, with introduction of new champions like Obama have phased toxic Graves into the never seen realm.

RIP Malcolm Graves
God Bless
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
March 24 2014 18:05 GMT
#1336
On March 25 2014 02:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 02:34 Dark_Chill wrote:
Weirdly enough, I played Graves the other day and came to the conclusion that he doesn't really do the kind of damage you'd expect him to, even early game. Like, I'd expect full damage Q to take a pretty substantial chunk, but it does like 3/4 of the damage I think it would. I dunno, I remember Graves being a pretty good early game bully, but I thought his problems mostly came from late game due to low range and not having the best steroid.

Riot really mis-managed how they nerfed Graves imo. The problem was that he was doing so much ability damage AND scaled into lategame with strong AS steroid. They decided to nerf his ability burst, rather than nerf his steroid, which would have probably been better way to go about it. But they decided to homogenize his power curve.

After the nerfs to his base AS he could no longer keep his E up 100% of the time which was a huge hit, not to mention they shit on his Q/R hundreds of times it seems like
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 18:14:42
March 24 2014 18:14 GMT
#1337
On March 25 2014 03:02 Roffles wrote:
RIP Graves.

Got wrecked too many times by Rito. Every patch nerf GG, with introduction of new champions like Obama have phased toxic Graves into the never seen realm.

RIP Malcolm Graves


Which champion is Obama?

Edit: WAIT, wait, I get it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 24 2014 18:15 GMT
#1338
At least on PBE for the first time ever there are graves buffs. It won't bring graves back up to par but at least rito is giving something to my first ever champion.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 24 2014 18:17 GMT
#1339
On March 25 2014 00:42 Eppa! wrote:
Never not max E first. Age old saying of if you can't fight you push and harass.

I thought the old saying was "If you can't run, your crawl. If you can't do that, you find somebody to carry you."

Oddly applicable to league. Hmm...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21248 Posts
March 24 2014 18:17 GMT
#1340
On March 25 2014 03:02 Roffles wrote:
Malcolm Graves


Malcolm X Graves.
TranslatorBaa!
Prev 1 65 66 67 68 69 158 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
19:00
ScienceCraft - Day 2
IndyStarCraft 640
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 1720
IndyStarCraft 640
BRAT_OK 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 11155
Calm 2297
Shuttle 295
ProTech161
firebathero 123
Dewaltoss 118
Mind 89
Last 46
Creator 39
ToSsGirL 25
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 22
Aegong 20
Dota 2
Gorgc11609
qojqva2189
Cr1tdota1426
League of Legends
JimRising 441
Other Games
fl0m2921
Liquid`RaSZi1835
singsing1802
FrodaN1220
Beastyqt865
B2W.Neo825
olofmeister701
Mlord615
Grubby276
mouzStarbuck220
KnowMe173
syndereN155
XaKoH 129
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1295
StarCraft 2
angryscii 31
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 11
• Reevou 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach52
• Azhi_Dahaki27
• ChaeLyn 7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3080
League of Legends
• Jankos3212
• Nemesis3212
• Scarra823
Other Games
• Shiphtur428
• imaqtpie405
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 4m
WardiTV Weekly
18h 4m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
1d 17h
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
4 days
Epic.LAN
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.