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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 21:58:59
March 20 2014 21:58 GMT
#761
Ate 1020 damage from "naked" GP ult as Nautilus, that was his level 2 ult. So... yeah. RNG stronk, but sometimes RNG bad too.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:04:32
March 20 2014 22:04 GMT
#762
One time I ate a Gangplank ult as Karthus that did ~1250 damage. Think that's 8 or 9 cannonballs out of 25 depending on resists? I wasn't even mad, I just laughed hysterically because nothing else was hitting me and I just watched my health bar disappear.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:12:45
March 20 2014 22:11 GMT
#763
On March 21 2014 06:45 Taktik wrote:
Yeah Pantheons ult got Nocturne'd~(PBE) I think its kinda sad that these global and pseudo global ults are getting nerfed and nerfed again. It made some champions more unique and some games more exciting. Meanwhile champion like Gangplank who got real global ult are not getting changed~ Just Nocturne his ult too and rework his E for gods sake~.

I don't really like when people compare the nerfs to what happened to Nocturne. There's a HUGE difference in that Nocturn's is targeted with no channel time. If you get the cast off, you will (barring bugs) always get to your target. Panth has a huge channel time plus your target can get away with good awareness/reflexes.

I'm honestly more astounded by the fact that they're even considering that nerf to his stun because they've literally done this exact change before except much less harsh and until they partially reverted that nerf Pantheon was literally unplayable.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:26:21
March 20 2014 22:22 GMT
#764
after so many backfired and ridiculous changes they did in the past i would think people already realized that riots balance team has no clue what they are doing
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
March 20 2014 22:29 GMT
#765
On March 21 2014 06:26 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?


No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.

You won't get them on your team again but you can play against them if you ignore them
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 20 2014 22:30 GMT
#766
On March 21 2014 07:11 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:45 Taktik wrote:
Yeah Pantheons ult got Nocturne'd~(PBE) I think its kinda sad that these global and pseudo global ults are getting nerfed and nerfed again. It made some champions more unique and some games more exciting. Meanwhile champion like Gangplank who got real global ult are not getting changed~ Just Nocturne his ult too and rework his E for gods sake~.

I don't really like when people compare the nerfs to what happened to Nocturne. There's a HUGE difference in that Nocturn's is targeted with no channel time. If you get the cast off, you will (barring bugs) always get to your target. Panth has a huge channel time plus your target can get away with good awareness/reflexes.

I'm honestly more astounded by the fact that they're even considering that nerf to his stun because they've literally done this exact change before except much less harsh and until they partially reverted that nerf Pantheon was literally unplayable.

Well it was Noc'd in the sense that it's a huge range nerf on a semi-global ability.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:32:17
March 20 2014 22:31 GMT
#767
On March 21 2014 07:22 kongoline wrote:
after so many backfired and ridiculous changes they did in the past i would think people already realized that riots balance team has no clue what they are doing

patently untrue, they clearly have a clue

in fact they have many people with many clues
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 20 2014 22:31 GMT
#768
Despite the deserved shit on Panth nerfs, I feel that it's cool that Riot is buffing ADC's again. Trist & Kog buffs last patch that were pretty big; now MF is getting a lot of love. Cait's still a strong lane counterpick but without a steroid she won't be that useful in yoloQ vs Kog/trist/MF/Jinx imo. Then again I'm only a dia IV scrub Marksmen. Thoughts on Rito buffing ADC's?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 22:39 GMT
#769
On March 21 2014 07:31 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Despite the deserved shit on Panth nerfs, I feel that it's cool that Riot is buffing ADC's again. Trist & Kog buffs last patch that were pretty big; now MF is getting a lot of love. Cait's still a strong lane counterpick but without a steroid she won't be that useful in yoloQ vs Kog/trist/MF/Jinx imo. Then again I'm only a dia IV scrub Marksmen. Thoughts on Rito buffing ADC's?

I think the itemization nerfs is going to take some serious champion kit buffs to give back ADC's more power.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
March 20 2014 22:40 GMT
#770
On March 21 2014 04:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 04:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, Panth nerfs on the PBE, giving his ult the Noc treatment.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/320-pbe-update.html

MF buffs seem nice.


Pantheon got slammed super hard.

If those changes, especially the stun change, go through Panth will be unplayable. The last time Riot tried to lower his stun at early levels, they lowered it to 0.7 at level 1 and Panth was practically unplayable then. It's 0.5 this time around, which basically isn't even a stun. I mean, ffs Riven's W is a 0.75 second stun.

Riven's stun also has a hefty post animation.
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
March 20 2014 22:40 GMT
#771
That Panth nerf is literally the stupidest change I've ever seen in my ~3 years of League.
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killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 20 2014 22:41 GMT
#772
On March 21 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:26 Alzadar wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?


No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.

You won't get them on your team again but you can play against them if you ignore them

Are you sure? I've, on several occasions, had conversations in lobby which didn't really make sense, until i realized that I wasn't seeing what another guy was typing because he was on my ignore list.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
March 20 2014 22:46 GMT
#773
On March 21 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:26 Alzadar wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?


No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.

You won't get them on your team again but you can play against them if you ignore them

incorrect
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2014 22:47 GMT
#774
On March 21 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 04:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, Panth nerfs on the PBE, giving his ult the Noc treatment.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/320-pbe-update.html

MF buffs seem nice.


Pantheon got slammed super hard.

If those changes, especially the stun change, go through Panth will be unplayable. The last time Riot tried to lower his stun at early levels, they lowered it to 0.7 at level 1 and Panth was practically unplayable then. It's 0.5 this time around, which basically isn't even a stun. I mean, ffs Riven's W is a 0.75 second stun.

Riven's stun also has a hefty post animation.

And fifty ways to cancel it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 20 2014 22:49 GMT
#775
On March 21 2014 07:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 06:26 Alzadar wrote:
On March 21 2014 06:25 IMoperator wrote:
if you ignore someone will you not get matched up with them in solo queue?


No.

Otherwise all Challenger players ignore WildTurtle.

You won't get them on your team again but you can play against them if you ignore them

Easily falsified, but also easily believable because the prior probability of having someone on your team twice ever is already absurdly low until you're in the "only 40 other dudes with this MMR" bracket.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 20 2014 22:49 GMT
#776
On March 21 2014 07:47 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, Panth nerfs on the PBE, giving his ult the Noc treatment.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/320-pbe-update.html

MF buffs seem nice.


Pantheon got slammed super hard.

If those changes, especially the stun change, go through Panth will be unplayable. The last time Riot tried to lower his stun at early levels, they lowered it to 0.7 at level 1 and Panth was practically unplayable then. It's 0.5 this time around, which basically isn't even a stun. I mean, ffs Riven's W is a 0.75 second stun.

Riven's stun also has a hefty post animation.

And fifty ways to cancel it.

You probably hate SSBM.
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:50:37
March 20 2014 22:50 GMT
#777
On March 21 2014 07:47 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, Panth nerfs on the PBE, giving his ult the Noc treatment.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/320-pbe-update.html

MF buffs seem nice.


Pantheon got slammed super hard.

If those changes, especially the stun change, go through Panth will be unplayable. The last time Riot tried to lower his stun at early levels, they lowered it to 0.7 at level 1 and Panth was practically unplayable then. It's 0.5 this time around, which basically isn't even a stun. I mean, ffs Riven's W is a 0.75 second stun.

Riven's stun also has a hefty post animation.

And fifty ways to cancel it.

While we're comparing the two, doesn't Riven's stun prevent Pantheon stun if she stuns right as his W lands because Panth gets stunned before his animation finishes and resolves the CC?
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 22:54:09
March 20 2014 22:50 GMT
#778
On March 21 2014 07:40 Terranasaur wrote:
That Panth nerf is literally the stupidest change I've ever seen in my ~3 years of League.


It has a total of 3.5 seconds cast time. That means that you move with a MS of ~570. Pantheon has a base MS of 355.

His stun has a range of 600.

A pantheon without any movement speed improvements (masteries, runes or items) would be slightly better off ulting to a target instead of walking + W (little less than half a second).

His ult would be literally useless, because when running to a target you can at least hide your presence.

If I were to change Pantheon's ult I'd probably remove the slow, see how that ends up. If that makes him too weak up his ult range a bit. When you look at the other globals Pantheon's isn't the strongest imo. The rest of his kit along with the strong single target damage makes him a viable pick.

AOE only junglers are dead.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 20 2014 22:54 GMT
#779
On March 21 2014 07:31 Kyrie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:22 kongoline wrote:
after so many backfired and ridiculous changes they did in the past i would think people already realized that riots balance team has no clue what they are doing

patently untrue, they clearly have a clue

in fact they have many people with many clues


ahem this is balance whine and not allowed on this website
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 20 2014 22:58 GMT
#780
On March 21 2014 07:50 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2014 07:47 Alaric wrote:
On March 21 2014 07:40 Gahlo wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:39 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:33 Requizen wrote:
On March 21 2014 04:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, Panth nerfs on the PBE, giving his ult the Noc treatment.
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2014/03/320-pbe-update.html

MF buffs seem nice.


Pantheon got slammed super hard.

If those changes, especially the stun change, go through Panth will be unplayable. The last time Riot tried to lower his stun at early levels, they lowered it to 0.7 at level 1 and Panth was practically unplayable then. It's 0.5 this time around, which basically isn't even a stun. I mean, ffs Riven's W is a 0.75 second stun.

Riven's stun also has a hefty post animation.

And fifty ways to cancel it.

While we're comparing the two, doesn't Riven's stun prevent Pantheon stun if she stuns right as his W lands because Panth gets stunned before his animation finishes and resolves the CC?

Yes, any dash can be screwed over by stuff like Riven's stun, Renekton's Q (sometimes his W too, his auto animation has close to no upswing), Lee's Q, etc.
Don't ever try killing one of them with a dash thinking "it'll hit before they can auto me" as both of you have 50 HP, you'll just put yourself on ballistic trajectory and become a free kill.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
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