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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 28 2014 17:35 GMT
#2081
Its also SK that they are helping. S.K., the lamest of the teams, against Gambit, the most interesting.

Just goofy.
Freeeeeeedom
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
March 28 2014 17:41 GMT
#2082
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


But if they took the high ground Riot would have a 47% miss chance...
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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 18:49:29
March 28 2014 17:50 GMT
#2083
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


I don't think it could be read as "we were going to win anyway". It reads more like "here are all of the obvious conditions we created to win us the game, that would be negated due to a bug that had no obvious impact on the game, in a lane that lost anyway thus creating no disadvantage to the complaining party".
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 28 2014 17:59 GMT
#2084
On March 29 2014 02:41 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


But if they took the high ground Riot would have a 47% miss chance...


You know Cheep, sometimes you're a pretty cool dude.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 18:03:32
March 28 2014 18:01 GMT
#2085
I just hope that Gambit wins again or this current drama is just gonna increase triple-fold. God forbid SK wins and it actually ends up changing end of season standings, I will have to quit the LoL community for a bit if that happens I think.
I got nothin'...
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 18:22:21
March 28 2014 18:20 GMT
#2086
Can someone remind me of some of the popular hypotheses as to why blue side wins more often on Summoner's Rift?

On top of my head, I got:

1. Camera angle. This may particularly make skillshot reliant champions harder to play on the red side.
2. Global objective position. Basically the layout for Dragon/Baron.
3. Blue/red buff positions. This may affect the ganking pattern of junglers.
4. Draft order.

Anything else?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 28 2014 18:23 GMT
#2087
matchmaking algorithm favoring blue side ofc
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 28 2014 18:24 GMT
#2088
On March 29 2014 03:23 Kupon3ss wrote:
matchmaking algorithm favoring blue side ofc


I actually heard it's the other way around - red side has slightly higher MMR to compensate for the blue side advantage.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
March 28 2014 18:25 GMT
#2089
I know that if left to their own devices, minions will unevenly push lanes (i.e. one side takes turret first). I don't know if Blue consistently pushes better than Purple or if it even makes a noticeable effect when champions are involved though. The reasons you listed are all that I think I have heard of.
I got nothin'...
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
March 28 2014 18:26 GMT
#2090
On March 29 2014 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.

There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.


That being said, a less... callous communique would go a large way to giving eSports professional legitimacy.

Another thing is the whole direct quote from Alex being written with contractions and short hand. Looks juvenile.

jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 28 2014 18:30 GMT
#2091
On March 29 2014 03:26 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.

There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.


That being said, a less... callous communique would go a large way to giving eSports professional legitimacy.

Another thing is the whole direct quote from Alex being written with contractions and short hand. Looks juvenile.



I will agree that the direct quote should have been cleaned up, but that's the only "unprofessional" thing I can see about the statement. If you're going to criticize any party of compromising the legitimacy of professional LoL, point the finger at Riot.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 18:35:57
March 28 2014 18:34 GMT
#2092
I don't think anybody here doesn't think Riot dropped the ball at this point. Gambit is in the right here.

We just think Gambits response could have been less inflammatory. What bugs me some is that they didn't NEED to make a response like that. They could have made a perfectly justified response without it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 28 2014 18:39 GMT
#2093
On March 29 2014 03:34 Ketara wrote:
I don't think anybody here doesn't think Riot dropped the ball at this point. Gambit is in the right here.

We just think Gambits response could have been less inflammatory. What bugs me some is that they didn't NEED to make a response like that. They could have made a perfectly justified response without it.


And I disagree. But there's not much sense in arguing it further. I'll agree to disagree here.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-28 18:44:50
March 28 2014 18:43 GMT
#2094
On March 29 2014 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 03:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.

There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.


That being said, a less... callous communique would go a large way to giving eSports professional legitimacy.

Another thing is the whole direct quote from Alex being written with contractions and short hand. Looks juvenile.



I will agree that the direct quote should have been cleaned up, but that's the only "unprofessional" thing I can see about the statement. If you're going to criticize any party of compromising the legitimacy of professional LoL, point the finger at Riot.


No, even if they contest the ruling, and they dont like it... the tone shouldn't be "they done fucked up. Go make a stink on Reddit."

The tone should be "this is what happened. This is what we believe. We are looking into the situation" Its a corporate press release with a serious (and only) main business partner about a controversial inter-company event. The fact that they feel the need to make emotionally charged pot shots just looks bad.

Small professional touches as such make a huge difference. If Apple and one of their main component distributors had some sort of drama, I guarantee the press release would be "a mistake was made, we are investigating the cause of the problem and hope to find a solution." There would not be statements of blame or anything like that.

Why are eSports corporations held to a lower standard than any other corporation? The only way for eSports to be legitimate is if this double standard is removed.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 28 2014 18:55 GMT
#2095
They're... they're remaking a game over a tiny ass bug like that? Aatrox's W proccing in two hits instead of three? And it doesn't even last for that long, right? Wut da fuck. Blunder of the CENTURY. Well not really but that's just really dumb.
Retvrn to Forvms
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 28 2014 19:02 GMT
#2096
On March 29 2014 03:43 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2014 03:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 29 2014 03:26 iCanada wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 29 2014 02:22 Ketara wrote:
They should have just opened with the LCS rules and previous precedent instead of opening with "Well we were going to win the game anyway."

It read as a little childish to me, when they didn't need that. They've got very good reasons to be against the ruling regardless of whether or not it was a one sided game. Would have been a good opportunity to take a moral high ground instead.


You're oversimplifying it. They explained the situation, and detailed how and why they believe that it had no outcome on the game. They then backed up their assessment with the rules/precedent.

There's absolutely no need for moral high ground here. Riot is screwing them over, and they are responding to it.


That being said, a less... callous communique would go a large way to giving eSports professional legitimacy.

Another thing is the whole direct quote from Alex being written with contractions and short hand. Looks juvenile.



I will agree that the direct quote should have been cleaned up, but that's the only "unprofessional" thing I can see about the statement. If you're going to criticize any party of compromising the legitimacy of professional LoL, point the finger at Riot.


No, even if they contest the ruling, and they dont like it... the tone shouldn't be "they done fucked up. Go make a stink on Reddit."

The tone should be "this is what happened. This is what we believe. We are looking into the situation" Its a corporate press release with a serious (and only) main business partner about a controversial inter-company event. The fact that they feel the need to make emotionally charged pot shots just looks bad.

Small professional touches as such make a huge difference. If Apple and one of their main component distributors had some sort of drama, I guarantee the press release would be "a mistake was made, we are investigating the cause of the problem and hope to find a solution." There would not be statements of blame or anything like that.

Why are eSports corporations held to a lower standard than any other corporation? The only way for eSports to be legitimate is if this double standard is removed.


See, but to me, it's more akin to the NBA going "The ref sneezed and missed a personal foul in the first period (quarter? idfk basketball), we will have them replay the quarterfinals of this tournament." It's just straight bullshit, and I would fully expect the negatively affected team to return some backlash.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
March 28 2014 19:13 GMT
#2097
You would expect the negatively affected team to return some backlash if they're going to be immature about it.

If they want to be professional about it they'd respond without the backlash no matter how severe it is. It's not like the people who watched the game don't know whether or not it was a stomp.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 28 2014 19:20 GMT
#2098
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 28 2014 19:28 GMT
#2099
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35142 Posts
March 28 2014 19:34 GMT
#2100
On March 28 2014 23:17 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 22:55 Bam Lee wrote:
Is there any point in going for the flat CDR glyphs instead of scaling ones after the rune changes? having 15% CDR in the late game is pretty fucking huge. And since the breakeven point is at lvl 9 when most champs have their main spell on level 5, i dont really see any point in going flat unless i really need a little bit of CDR in the beginning. But i cant think of a champ that really needs it


Manaless champions like Renekton/Riven/Rengar might like flat CDR for early game bullying. Remains to be seen whether or not that will be stronger than other runes though.

The timing would have to be so very specific and hinge on success that I doubt it.
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