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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 22 2014 18:40 GMT
#2181
On February 23 2014 03:34 zulu_nation8 wrote:
nightblue just completely threw a game by himself and is blaming the comp and picks. I thought he got a lot better but he's still the same exact type of jungler, good ganks/buff control, has no idea what to do after and also makes terrible baron calls. He's also one of those people who was toxic but cleaned up his behavior for stream.


This is what I have seen as well. This guy rages pretty hard sometimes.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
February 22 2014 18:42 GMT
#2182
On February 23 2014 03:32 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 03:31 ghrur wrote:
This discussion is so toxic.


Need more nepotism

Kenma literally Hitler.
Glorious SEA doto
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 18:54:38
February 22 2014 18:50 GMT
#2183
On February 23 2014 03:40 oneofthem wrote:
if there is social sanction against certain words regardless of intent it is a clear msg that the prejudice behind the words are also sanctioned


consequence as in though you meant no offense others might take offense and you are still responsible for this impact regardless of intent.


that's pretty smart, however it's not that direct. Lots of people are against say gay marriage/gay adoption etc (e.g my parents) but would never use slurs ever.
likewise there are plenty of racists and sexist who wouldn't use those racist or sexist words but that doesn't change their views.

I think putting taboos on these words do nothing but scare people into not using them and don't do anything about racism or something.
like that video of the black homeless busker getting harassed
the racists just kept calling him black bastard. Do we know ban the phrase black bastard? The racists and homophobes will find ways to harass people trying to hold back certain words just scares the normal people into not using them.

I mean sending a clear message the prejudice behind the words isn't sactioned is good in theory, but I would say almost everyone knows its wrong to be racist or to be homophobic except the people who are racist and homophobic themselves.
i mean if you go to r/feminism or r/theredpill sexism is more rampant than any of the above as far as I can see and theres not even any obvious words to blame
seems pretty clear to me that ignorance and paranoia and people finding things to blame (dey tuk our jerbs) are the problem and the large majority of people are good people and going around "white knighting" them for using words is pointless

i mean its like claiming that all the americans refering to black people as niggers is what spread racism or somehow made the non racists thing it was OK and not hatred and ignorance.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 18:59:15
February 22 2014 18:57 GMT
#2184
while it is true that faggot has evolved to be a generic insult, the reason why it is chosen as such still is a result of the very strong antigay sentiment in society. insults are chosen for their degree of hate calories and specificity or accuracy isnt that important to the dude cursing u out. so even the history of the word would stil be a priblem. but yea hiding the issue is no good either, as it reflect a period in which there was strong general antigay prejudice. anyway end of tangent. for the stuff about consequence vs intent tm scanlon has some stuff on it


ok this post is on the wrong order and i cant fix it lol
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 19:02:57
February 22 2014 19:01 GMT
#2185
On February 23 2014 03:57 oneofthem wrote:
while it is true that faggot has evolved to be a generic insult, the reason why it is chosen as such still is a result of the very strong antigay sentiment in society. insults are chosen for their degree of hate calories and specificity or accuracy isnt that important to the dude cursing u out. so even the history of the word would stil be a priblem. but yea hiding the issue is no good either, as it reflect a period in which there was strong general antigay prejudice. anyway end of tangent. for the stuff about consequence vs intent tm scanlon has some stuff on it


ok this post is on the wrong order and i cant fix it lol


how do you know this, have you spoken to the commitee of homophobes when they decided this?

if you were to ask me I would say the words "faggot" and "cunt" have a strong bite to them vocally, and I imagine thats the reason they are so popular and "offensive" regardless of meaning
in fact the whole origin of swear words has nothing to do with meaning they are just words that sound nasty and are satisfying to release emotions

however I'm no linguist but I see no proof of your argument either
like strong antigay sentiment I would say its mostly based off of religion more than anything and tons of people these days have gay friends and such
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 22 2014 19:02 GMT
#2186
Can you guys take this discussion to/b/?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 22 2014 19:05 GMT
#2187
point is not that homophobes are exclusive in converting this word into generic insult, but on the evolution of generic insults with specific references. distasteful females, physically infirm or deviant, religiously unclean etc. the degree of hate is what matters or useful to a hurler of insults
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 19:10:49
February 22 2014 19:07 GMT
#2188
On February 23 2014 04:05 oneofthem wrote:
point is not that homophobes are exclusive in converting this word into generic insult, but on the evolution of generic insults with specific references. distasteful females, physically infirm or deviant, religiously unclean etc. the degree of hate is what matters or useful to a hurler of insults


well the thing about insults is it has to be insulting originally
aside from "you're stupid" or "you're weak" or "you're a nerd" you're going to have trouble finding any insults that can't be seen as offensive so SOME group of people (even nerd is probably offensive to people who were bullied at school)

are you saying we should outlaw all insults?
i mean the degree of hate is intrinsic to your anger at the person now it doesn't have to have anything to do with degree of hate toward the group of people your insult refers to
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
February 22 2014 19:18 GMT
#2189
It's like there isn't an off-topic thread for this stuff zzz
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 22 2014 19:19 GMT
#2190
not saying anything about outlawing, but intent or lack of doesnt make it perfectly ok. not gonna derail this further lol
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-22 19:23:51
February 22 2014 19:22 GMT
#2191
and on what basis are you the moral arbiter or this?
edit:
sorry im derailing but its not like you guys had anything better to talk about before this than smartcasting all of which you can learn from looking at the menu hue
at least me taking about support warwick was on topic
look at what you've done now
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2014 19:26 GMT
#2192
Garen is a crappy top laner.
Hey! How you doin'?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35145 Posts
February 22 2014 19:28 GMT
#2193
On February 23 2014 04:22 Slayer91 wrote:
and on what basis are you the moral arbiter or this?
edit:
sorry im derailing but its not like you guys had anything better to talk about before this than smartcasting all of which you can learn from looking at the menu hue
at least me taking about support warwick was on topic
look at what you've done now

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 22 2014 19:31 GMT
#2194
On February 23 2014 04:26 Zdrastochye wrote:
Garen is a crappy top laner.


fite me
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 22 2014 20:00 GMT
#2195
On February 23 2014 04:26 Zdrastochye wrote:
Garen is a crappy top laner.


Lose by 30 CS, scale into midgame and watch enemy toplaner rage and implode when you destroy his team
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 22 2014 20:29 GMT
#2196
On February 23 2014 04:22 Slayer91 wrote:
and on what basis are you the moral arbiter or this?
edit:
sorry im derailing but its not like you guys had anything better to talk about before this than smartcasting all of which you can learn from looking at the menu hue
at least me taking about support warwick was on topic
look at what you've done now

Actually, I have a smartcast question. Is there a way to bind smartcast with indicators? I default smartcast, but I really loathe normal for looking at ranges when playing champs I don't play that often.
Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 22 2014 20:33 GMT
#2197
i dunno ive never used smartcast
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
February 22 2014 20:39 GMT
#2198
On February 23 2014 05:29 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 04:22 Slayer91 wrote:
and on what basis are you the moral arbiter or this?
edit:
sorry im derailing but its not like you guys had anything better to talk about before this than smartcasting all of which you can learn from looking at the menu hue
at least me taking about support warwick was on topic
look at what you've done now

Actually, I have a smartcast question. Is there a way to bind smartcast with indicators? I default smartcast, but I really loathe normal for looking at ranges when playing champs I don't play that often.

Should be able to turn range indicators on in the options menu, if that's what you mean?
Steam: rook492
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
February 22 2014 20:41 GMT
#2199
On February 23 2014 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2014 04:26 Zdrastochye wrote:
Garen is a crappy top laner.


Lose by 30 CS, scale into midgame and watch enemy toplaner rage and implode when you destroy his team


Oh you mean Mundo?
Hey! How you doin'?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 22 2014 20:43 GMT
#2200
OK I take back everything I've said about Pantheon. This fucker needs a nerf.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
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