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Baa?21247 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:15 Yezzus wrote:
I dont understand this notion that EU LCS is higher skill than NA since the only EU team on NA which consists of players on one of the "top" EU teams are the worst team on NA
EG was not a top EU team...pretty average overall, and it's their three weakest players that came to NA, leaving behind a washed-up top laner and an average midlaner.
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The three weakest players that would have been benched from EG if they didn't flee to NA, at that.
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TBH Krepo has been pretty impressive comparatively speaking. Probably the only highlight of EG.NA currently.
Snoopeh and yolopete...not so much.
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what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition
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Baa?21247 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition
That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
TBH Krepo has been pretty impressive comparatively speaking. Probably the only highlight of EG.NA currently.
Snoopeh and yolopete...not so much.
Yolopete's ability to have little impact is impressive if nothing else, haven't seen a jinx do so little with three early kills like did vs wizfujin.
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On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well.
I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago.
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Baa?21247 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:26 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well. I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago.
And as I said, it is holding strong at the beginning of S4. Fnatic and Gambit are doubtlessly stronger than than C9 and TSM right now, and the next step down is looking much better for EU too, though it's admittedly harder to call the second tier without head to head cross region play.
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On January 25 2014 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:26 Yezzus wrote:On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well. I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago. And as I said, it is holding strong at the beginning of S4. Fnatic and Gambit are doubtlessly stronger than than C9 and TSM right now, and the next step down is looking much better for EU too, though it's admittedly harder to call the second tier without head to head cross region play.
I'm just arguing that they arent a level ahead region wise that they would go 10-0 or 9-1 vs the other region. Both regions are mostly at a 50-50 level to each other even if one is slightly better sometimes
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Baa?21247 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:29 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:26 Yezzus wrote:On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well. I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago. And as I said, it is holding strong at the beginning of S4. Fnatic and Gambit are doubtlessly stronger than than C9 and TSM right now, and the next step down is looking much better for EU too, though it's admittedly harder to call the second tier without head to head cross region play. I'm just arguing that they arent a level ahead region wise that they would go 10-0 or 9-1 vs the other region. Both regions are mostly at a 50-50 level to each other even if one is slightly better sometimes
You don't need to go 10-0 or 9-1 to be considered a better region/player (for example, in Broodwar you only needed around a 60% winrate (sometimes even lower) to be considered an extremely good, S-class player), and top EU vs. top NA is definitely not a 50-50.
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On January 25 2014 00:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:29 Yezzus wrote:On January 25 2014 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:26 Yezzus wrote:On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well. I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago. And as I said, it is holding strong at the beginning of S4. Fnatic and Gambit are doubtlessly stronger than than C9 and TSM right now, and the next step down is looking much better for EU too, though it's admittedly harder to call the second tier without head to head cross region play. I'm just arguing that they arent a level ahead region wise that they would go 10-0 or 9-1 vs the other region. Both regions are mostly at a 50-50 level to each other even if one is slightly better sometimes You don't need to go 10-0 or 9-1 to be considered a better region/player (for example, in Broodwar you only needed around a 60% winrate (sometimes even lower) to be considered an extremely good, S-class player), and top EU vs. top NA is definitely not a 50-50.
Ok, you win sir
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trying to figure out who is better between eu and na is like making cuts for the jamaican bobsled team, who cares...they exist for the comedy value
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On January 25 2014 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:26 Yezzus wrote:On January 25 2014 00:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 25 2014 00:20 Yezzus wrote:
what im saying is people shouldnt compare. Both regions have their good teams and their bad teams, and both regions can go 50/50 most of the time. No1 is so much better that they deserve to be called the better region. Theyre all the same imo. Besides Fnatic/C9 I feel they are a bit above their compeition That's just blatantly false though, top EU is consistently stronger than top NA, and has been for the entire history of LoL beyond the formative year where it was CLG and no one else. It was true for S1, S2, and S3, and it seems to hold strong at the beginning of S4 as well. I'm talking about recently, why talk about S1? Thats like saying the Lakers are a top team because they won a championship many years ago. And as I said, it is holding strong at the beginning of S4. Fnatic and Gambit are doubtlessly stronger than than C9 and TSM right now, and the next step down is looking much better for EU too, though it's admittedly harder to call the second tier without head to head cross region play.
But C9 beat Fnatic in BotA. :o
not that this matters. NA LCS is da best for the baron throws and wacky plays.
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Baa?21247 Posts
Using BotA as an indicator for anything is silly and you know it, don't get cheeky with me.
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On January 25 2014 00:32 Kyrie wrote:
trying to figure out who is better between eu and na is like making cuts for the jamaican bobsled team, who cares...they exist for the comedy value
LOL
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C9 didnt beat them, they crushed them
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 25 2014 00:38 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Using BotA as an indicator for anything is silly and you know it, don't get cheeky with me.
Alliance > Dig > C9 > Fnatic > SSO > SKT
Boom, everyone is trash.
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On January 25 2014 00:39 Yezzus wrote:
C9 didnt beat them, they crushed them
and gambit crushed c9 like 2 weeks earlier, also i dont recall gambit losing to any NA team ever they always humiliate them
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I've started to go Hybrid Pen reds on Gragas and Lux -- haven't tried others yet -- with 21-0-9 masteries (with no Executioner or Dangerous Game, but Brute Force and Martial Mastery). I sometimes go 9 in defense on Gragas if I feel I really need it. I really like it, my laning is so strong and my mid- and lategame isn't really hurt by it...
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Hybrid pen is probably getting a nerf for that reason. Too stronk on too many champs early game. Midlaners, champions like Elise, etc. Anyone who autos at all and deals magic damage want them.
On January 25 2014 01:03 kongoline wrote:and gambit crushed c9 like 2 weeks earlier, also i dont recall gambit losing to any NA team ever they always humiliate them
Neither C9 nor Fnatic had any practice prior to Cologne. Hai/Lemon got back from their Vietnam vacation just a few days prior to it.
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