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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 19 2014 15:37 GMT
#1001
Currently sitting at 3-4. 1-1 on both Varus and Jinx and 0-1 on Vi. Last game I had to drag my team kicking and screaming because they were allergic to being within 2 screens of each other. AD seems to be the new "fuck that position," so if that keeps up I guess I'm becoming an AD main this season.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
January 19 2014 15:46 GMT
#1002
currently sitting on 1-6, tried to get 0-10 but I accidently snowballed one game. hope i will manage 2-8 or 1-9.
not trolling my games either, ill write up about it after im finished
aka Teutonica
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 19 2014 15:46 GMT
#1003
On January 19 2014 23:52 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 23:27 kongoline wrote:
On January 19 2014 23:09 Gahlo wrote:
On January 19 2014 22:36 kongoline wrote:
similar with gragas who had like1-2% pick rate before faker decided to play him in lcs and now hes going to be trashed by nerfs, fuck riot

So much is wrong here.

1-2 was before any changes, i used to check lolking daily and his pickrate dropped to 3-4 % after his first nerf when zed/kha/jayce were popular, oh i made a mistake and wrote faker played in lcs not ogn, grats for nitpicking

I literally just looked over all the pick/bans in OGN Summer. I counted 14 picks and 4 bans on gragas. Faker picked Gragas a grand total of once and it was never banned against him. In the finals alone, Ryu picked Gragas more times than SKT did the entire tournament.

I get that it's cool to like Faker on reddit, so it's also cool to hate on people liking him, but if you're gonna make a claim about people sheeping a champion off him like people have Riven... Well, have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

he was an example i dont remember names of ogn mid-laners nor care who popularized gragas, as for me being faker nut hugger im quite the opposite, i always say he is overhyped as fuck
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 19 2014 15:56 GMT
#1004
lets say there was a streamer on your team that you didn't want to play with.

do you lose mmr / a placement match if you dodge?
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 19 2014 15:58 GMT
#1005
On January 20 2014 00:46 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 23:52 Gahlo wrote:
On January 19 2014 23:27 kongoline wrote:
On January 19 2014 23:09 Gahlo wrote:
On January 19 2014 22:36 kongoline wrote:
similar with gragas who had like1-2% pick rate before faker decided to play him in lcs and now hes going to be trashed by nerfs, fuck riot

So much is wrong here.

1-2 was before any changes, i used to check lolking daily and his pickrate dropped to 3-4 % after his first nerf when zed/kha/jayce were popular, oh i made a mistake and wrote faker played in lcs not ogn, grats for nitpicking

I literally just looked over all the pick/bans in OGN Summer. I counted 14 picks and 4 bans on gragas. Faker picked Gragas a grand total of once and it was never banned against him. In the finals alone, Ryu picked Gragas more times than SKT did the entire tournament.

I get that it's cool to like Faker on reddit, so it's also cool to hate on people liking him, but if you're gonna make a claim about people sheeping a champion off him like people have Riven... Well, have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

he was an example i dont remember names of ogn mid-laners nor care who popularized gragas, as for me being faker nut hugger im quite the opposite, i always say he is overhyped as fuck


it was problably Mima's Gragas that I would give the most credit, or Nagne for the non-hipster, by crushing Faker at worlds with it every game it was not banned, but yea not really Faker.
Carrilord has arrived.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 19 2014 16:00 GMT
#1006
On January 19 2014 23:34 Bumblebee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 08:45 The_Unseen wrote:
Bumblebee totally getting eloboosted by his diamond bro

You mean my real life friend I played 3 games with and lost 2 of them (which is 40 % of my losses in the new season, I have 12 wins)? On top of that, our 4th pick guy had Thresh on his monitor, I took Ezrael and then he changes with 4 seconds left and I didn't get to pick another champion so I ended up playing support Ezrael with the troll Caitlyn... I had no damage, I had no utility, I had low mobility because of low level and no CDR. I don't know what you expect of me in that scenario.


Wow chill mate, I posted that before the game even began.. Yeah we couldn't do shit with 3 ADCs including 2 retardos and you who had no farm because of aforementioned tards
I got five reasons for you to shut up
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 16:11:31
January 19 2014 16:10 GMT
#1007
On January 19 2014 04:25 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 03:54 clickrush wrote:
On January 19 2014 03:40 Ketara wrote:
On January 19 2014 02:44 clickrush wrote:
On January 19 2014 01:43 Ketara wrote:
On January 19 2014 01:29 sylverfyre wrote:
On January 19 2014 00:01 turdburgler wrote:
ye but everyone here said i was dumb saying iceborn is best on nasus because he already has a slow, and since this place is smug central it helps to remind people that other opinions can be useful sometimes :O

The question never was about "which sheen item do I buy" but more "do I buy a sheen item at all" - cause if you're not getting a sheen item, you probably aren't even buying an offensive item at all. Nasus doesn't need any offensive items to do sick damage. And at some point late in the game, LW is going to do way more damage than any other offensive item you tack onto him.


This is probably not true for a typical game.

Triforce probably adds more damage than LW unless you're at some stupid 70 minute long 1000 stacks point. Just a guess.


ok by just guessing you don't get anywhere. let us estimate:

assumption:
400 damage on Q total (thats about 200 cs + base damage)
enemy 150 armor (about 1 armor item + runes + base etc.)

damage with triforce on Q: ~400 + ~180 ~= 580
after reduction taking spirit fire into account you deal half damage against a 100 armor target: ~580 / ~2 ~= 290

damage with lw: ~400 + 40 ~= 440
damage after reduction + spirit fire is against a 57.5 armor target which reduces damage for about 25%: ~440 * 0.75 = 330.

You definitely get more damage/gold from LW after just 1 bigger armor item. squishy champions often have 1 minor armor item like zonyas or GA which gives them about 130 armor in total so you still deal more damage with your Q. Things only get better in favor of LW the more stacks you get on Q and the more armor some of the bruisers get.


This is so very wrong.

Nasus has 116 AD at level 18. 200 stacks would give him 310 bonus Q damage.

So a Triforce Q would do 703 damage after averaging 10% crit, and a LW Q would do 466 damage.

Spirit Fire is armor reduction, not armor pen, so is counted before % penetration. Your 150 armor target has 110 armor vs. Trinity and 71.5 armor vs. LW.

So your Trinity Q does 330 damage and your LW Q does 270 damage.

Factoring the attack speed and assuming 40% CDR since that's good on Nasus, your DPS vs. this target:
With Trinity: 234
With LW: 202

Not to mention the 30 AP on Trinity increases your E damage by 36 and your R damage by 4.5% max HP.


I obviously did not assume lvl 18 stats at all (200 cs, 150 armor, mentioning how LW gets more costefficient later in the game etc.). you are comparing the lvl 18 base damage against 150 armor which you only get vs squishies at lvl 18 where at least two opponents will have randuins+some other major armor item (randuins also lowers the dps of triforce more).

my spirit fire calculation is apparently false in the other hand you have it up only for not even half of the time which favors LW more in this case.

but again your numbers show about the same result: about the same damage for 1500 more gold even with the lvl 18 base damage against a squishy target. while more Q stacks + more opponent armor favors LW.


vs. a 150 armor target you'd need about a 900 stack Q for a LW Q to do more damage than a Trinity Q.

You'd need even more for your overall damage to be higher with LW.


Obviously the more armor they have the fewer stacks you need, but even at 300 armor you'd need around 500 stacks for a LW Q to do more than a Trinity Q, and more than that to do more overall damage with LW.


In terms of cost efficiency, is 250 HP, 200 mana, 30 AP, 8% movespeed and a Phage passive worth 1500g to you?


Re: "Are you even going to buy a single sheen item at all?"

Any offensive item at all?

All these calcs are done assuming your target stands in spirit fire, too. That seems a bit unrealistic to me.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 19 2014 16:12 GMT
#1008
Can't believe i broke the 10-0 dream, just because i wanted to play Janna. The amount of retardation the Marksman role can pull off is insanely huge.
hi
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 19 2014 16:13 GMT
#1009
On January 20 2014 01:12 Sponkz wrote:
Can't believe i broke the 10-0 dream, just because i wanted to play Janna. The amount of retardation the Marksman role can pull off is insanely huge.


People don't know how to play with her as support. She's been out of fashion for so damn long...
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 19 2014 16:15 GMT
#1010
People just don´t know how to play at all. Good thing that Alistar is insanely strong now, or i'd be stuck playing nothing but Leona LOL.
hi
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 19 2014 16:20 GMT
#1011
why is it possible to get teamed up with someone you just reported ;/
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
January 19 2014 16:25 GMT
#1012
4-0 with Pantheon mid ^_^ but only 6-3 atm scared to play my last match
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22675 Posts
January 19 2014 16:30 GMT
#1013
On January 20 2014 01:20 turdburgler wrote:
why is it possible to get teamed up with someone you just reported ;/

Same reason you get paired with people on your ignore list.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 19 2014 16:33 GMT
#1014
On January 20 2014 01:00 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 23:34 Bumblebee wrote:
On January 19 2014 08:45 The_Unseen wrote:
Bumblebee totally getting eloboosted by his diamond bro

You mean my real life friend I played 3 games with and lost 2 of them (which is 40 % of my losses in the new season, I have 12 wins)? On top of that, our 4th pick guy had Thresh on his monitor, I took Ezrael and then he changes with 4 seconds left and I didn't get to pick another champion so I ended up playing support Ezrael with the troll Caitlyn... I had no damage, I had no utility, I had low mobility because of low level and no CDR. I don't know what you expect of me in that scenario.


Wow chill mate, I posted that before the game even began.. Yeah we couldn't do shit with 3 ADCs including 2 retardos and you who had no farm because of aforementioned tards

Forgiven, I guess... But accusing someone of being ELO boosted is not very nice, it's devalues my skill and my results.. :-(
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#1015
It wasn't an accusation, it was just a joke D: Oh well, it's true you don't know me at all
I got five reasons for you to shut up
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 19 2014 16:42 GMT
#1016
Do dodges in placement games count as losses the way they do in promotion series?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 17:00:17
January 19 2014 16:58 GMT
#1017
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2014 00:31 Bumblebee wrote:
How's the new season going for you guys?

[image loading]

4-1 Gragas (Mid)
3-1 Elise (Jungle)
1-1 LB (Mid)
1-0 Annie (Support)
0-1 Syndra (Mid)
0-1 Ezreal (Support, lol)
1-0 Renekton (Top)
1-0 Ziggs (Mid)
1-0 Thresh (Support)
1-0 Sona (Support)

Clearly TL is getting a LoL team and Bumblebee is their mid

By the way I'm already diamond, now I can wait for season 5
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 19 2014 17:01 GMT
#1018
Don't see enough Mantheon games there.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#1019
Ez support. Bumblebee reported for toxicity.
liftlift > tsm
Bumblebee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3237 Posts
January 19 2014 17:05 GMT
#1020
On January 20 2014 02:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Ez support. Bumblebee reported for toxicity.

That really was the worst thing ever. I was 5th pick and our 4th pick guy had Thresh clicked, then 4 seconds before the timer he changes to Caitlyn and I couldn't change in time (tried Annie but was banned...) I've never played a hero that felt more useless without farm -- no utility, no damage, no mobility. You just don't have anything, lol :-(
There is no difference between a knight and any other man aside from what he wears. @robinnymann
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