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On November 20 2013 14:00 .AK wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good adc to watch stream? I would be watching to learn but they don't necessarily have to be a learning stream. Would be best if they either had VODs or lived on the west coast. Thanks in advance!
There is no good ADC that stream with commentary, because either
A)they don't play ADC that often in yolo queue
B)if they're playing ADC, they don't commentate on anything useful, because all the lane specific stuff is pretty automated for them, so it'd be like them describing when they're breathing.
The only ADC's that I know that stream, and usually play ADC's in solo queue, is like SneakyCastro, DL, Destiny, and Saint (he's been playing a lot of ADC's).
On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic.
Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools.
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On November 20 2013 14:26 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:12 FinestHour wrote:
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they pick kass
you pick sion and go mid
proceed to collect easiest elo of your life Also try Mordekaiser. + Show Spoiler +But only works until level 7.
Couldn't you also do this as Sivir? Spell shield the Q's and auto him off creeps levels 1-5.
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On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Xpeke is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic.
Fixed typo for you.
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On November 20 2013 14:42 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic. Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools.
I didn't really follow the LPL last year, but looking through the LPL spring 2013 season pick/bans for playoffs Kassadin was not picked nor banned once.
Just went through LPL Spring games week 7-10. Kassadin was banned 10 times, only against Royal. He was picked twice, once by Royal (loss) and once by iG (win).
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On November 20 2013 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:42 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic. Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools. I didn't really follow the LPL last year, but looking through the LPL spring 2013 season pick/bans for playoffs Kassadin was not picked nor banned once.
Just went through regular season, Kassidan constantly banned against Royal.
yeah, going through spring LPL regular season, looks like 90% ban rate against Royal. lol. So yeah, looks like it's a staple of Royal.
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On November 20 2013 14:56 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:42 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic. Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools. I didn't really follow the LPL last year, but looking through the LPL spring 2013 season pick/bans for playoffs Kassadin was not picked nor banned once. Just went through regular season, Kassidan constantly banned against Royal.
Yea I just edited my post. The single time Royal did get Kassadin they lost (only went through week 7-10). Still, Kassadin only being banned against Royal suggests to me that pros in China view it as a respect ban, not an OP ban, which makes sense since Whitezz was known for his Kassadin back in the day.
Plus the fact that at Worlds, even after Fnatic showed the power of xPeke's Kassadin, I don't really remember any team picking up Kassadin. Even post-worlds, Kassadin still remained an relatively unpopular pick compared to Jax, Corki, Renekton. I'm not going to contest that he's a strong solo queue pick, but he's definitely not OP at the highest level except in the hands of xPeke.
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On November 20 2013 14:59 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:56 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:42 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic. Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools. I didn't really follow the LPL last year, but looking through the LPL spring 2013 season pick/bans for playoffs Kassadin was not picked nor banned once. Just went through regular season, Kassidan constantly banned against Royal. Yea I just edited my post. The single time Royal did get Kassadin they lost (only went through week 7-10). Still, Kassadin only being banned against Royal suggests to me that pros in China view it as a respect ban, not an OP ban, which makes sense since Whitezz was known for his Kassadin back in the day. Plus the fact that at Worlds, even after Fnatic showed the power of xPeke's Kassadin, I don't really remember any team picking up Kassadin. Even post-worlds, Kassadin still remained an relatively unpopular pick compared to Jax, Corki, Renekton. I'm not going to contest that he's a strong solo queue pick, but he's definitely not OP at the highest level except in the hands of xPeke.
I would say it has lot do with # of teams who run position 1 mids is limited.
Is there a korean team that does that?
Any NA teams that do that?
EU is the only region that seems to run position 1 mids, and each of them have their own champion variation in terms of who they like to do with it. I'd say it's more of "not enough pro-level play" to be determined.
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On November 20 2013 15:06 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:59 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:56 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:52 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:42 wei2coolman wrote:On November 20 2013 14:27 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now? I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well. Tell that to C9. 1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic. Was used in Chinese LoL throughout season 2 and 3 I believe. Then again Chinese mids seem to be able to play a lot of mids to a reasonably decent degree, massive champ pools. I didn't really follow the LPL last year, but looking through the LPL spring 2013 season pick/bans for playoffs Kassadin was not picked nor banned once. Just went through regular season, Kassidan constantly banned against Royal. Yea I just edited my post. The single time Royal did get Kassadin they lost (only went through week 7-10). Still, Kassadin only being banned against Royal suggests to me that pros in China view it as a respect ban, not an OP ban, which makes sense since Whitezz was known for his Kassadin back in the day. Plus the fact that at Worlds, even after Fnatic showed the power of xPeke's Kassadin, I don't really remember any team picking up Kassadin. Even post-worlds, Kassadin still remained an relatively unpopular pick compared to Jax, Corki, Renekton. I'm not going to contest that he's a strong solo queue pick, but he's definitely not OP at the highest level except in the hands of xPeke. I would say it has lot do with # of teams who run position 1 mids is limited. Is there a korean team that does that? Any NA teams that do that? EU is the only region that seems to run position 1 mids, and each of them have their own champion variation in terms of who they like to do with it. I'd say it's more of "not enough pro-level play" to be determined.
I guess, but at what point does a playstyle/champ preference go from being "too unique" to being "not good enough to be adopted by most teams?" In other words, just because pro player X or pro team A is really good at using champion Y, does not mean said champion is OP. Especially if virtually no other pro player or team places that much importance on that champion.
On top of that, many teams in all the regions have extremely strong mid laners who can easily play the first position carry and often do. SKT T1 K for example. Although Faker doesn't play the first position carry every game now, he still does from time to time and Kassadin isn't a staple Faker pick (as opposed to LB, Zed, Ahri, Riven, etc...), though I don't doubt that he can dominate with it. Even when SKT T1 K did play Faker as the first position carry virtually every game in OGN Summer and earlier, I don't really recall much Kassadin play out of him.
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It's a matter of what people are comfortable with though, and back when Faker was 1st position, that was when it was Jayce, Kha ziks, etc. bullshit. Was there really any room for Kassidan? Personally I think Kassidan is one of those picks that require too much of your team to adapt to bother working with, probably something you could pull off to compensate for poor ADC (like puszu [even though i thought he played his heart out in worlds, and gave valiant effort, 10/10, one of fav players from worlds]). Otherwise, you could play other stuff, that's easier to pull off and just as effective.
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On November 20 2013 14:07 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:00 .AK wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good adc to watch stream? I would be watching to learn but they don't necessarily have to be a learning stream. Would be best if they either had VODs or lived on the west coast. Thanks in advance! TSM WildTurtle's been pretty decent with commentary/talking about his thought process as of late when he plays ADCs, I think c9's Sneaky sometimes streams too.
Aphromoo used to discuss a lot before he joined CLG. But now he rarely streams at all and it makes me really sad. I miss his FeaR days when he would stream all the time. He was one of the first people I remember advocating Draven, Varus and twitch.
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Faker probably doesnt play Kass because he cant run his disrespect runes.
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On November 20 2013 15:26 wei2coolman wrote:
It's a matter of what people are comfortable with though, and back when Faker was 1st position, that was when it was Jayce, Kha ziks, etc. bullshit. Was there really any room for Kassidan? Personally I think Kassidan is one of those picks that require too much of your team to adapt to bother working with, probably something you could pull off to compensate for poor ADC (like puszu [even though i thought he played his heart out in worlds, and gave valiant effort, 10/10, one of fav players from worlds]). Otherwise, you could play other stuff, that's easier to pull off and just as effective.
I agree, I just don't think Kassadin is OP the way some people make him out to be. I think he's a very powerful pick but requires significant time devoted towards practicing Kassadin and playing with him, but also isn't so strong that teams essentially are forced to learn him the way pre-nerf TF, Jayce, Zed, Ahri, etc... demanded, otherwise we'd be seeing a ton more Kassadin.
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On November 20 2013 15:37 Shotcoder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 14:07 Kinie wrote:On November 20 2013 14:00 .AK wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good adc to watch stream? I would be watching to learn but they don't necessarily have to be a learning stream. Would be best if they either had VODs or lived on the west coast. Thanks in advance! TSM WildTurtle's been pretty decent with commentary/talking about his thought process as of late when he plays ADCs, I think c9's Sneaky sometimes streams too. Aphromoo used to discuss a lot before he joined CLG. But now he rarely streams at all and it makes me really sad. I miss his FeaR days when he would stream all the time. He was one of the first people I remember advocating Draven, Varus and twitch.
I remember how wild and crazy it was that he would play Draven and Twitch. God the meta changes so weirdly sometimes.
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Wei why no mention of turtle? TSM too good
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On November 20 2013 15:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I remember how wild and crazy it was that he would play Draven and Twitch. God the meta changes so weirdly sometimes.
Speaking of Twitch, where's the little rat gone off to in the meta? With all this tankiness going around lately you'd think the rat would be a pretty good choice, though Vayne's true damage is probably better than the rat at the moment too.
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On November 20 2013 16:05 Kinie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I remember how wild and crazy it was that he would play Draven and Twitch. God the meta changes so weirdly sometimes. Speaking of Twitch, where's the little rat gone off to in the meta? With all this tankiness going around lately you'd think the rat would be a pretty good choice, though Vayne's true damage is probably better than the rat at the moment too.
Was the expunge nerf really bad?
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On November 20 2013 16:14 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:05 Kinie wrote:On November 20 2013 15:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I remember how wild and crazy it was that he would play Draven and Twitch. God the meta changes so weirdly sometimes. Speaking of Twitch, where's the little rat gone off to in the meta? With all this tankiness going around lately you'd think the rat would be a pretty good choice, though Vayne's true damage is probably better than the rat at the moment too. Was the expunge nerf really bad?
That plus no real escape meant assassin meta really hurt his viability.
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On November 20 2013 16:05 Shelke14 wrote:
Wei why no mention of turtle? TSM too good
To be honest. I've only seen the him stream adc like twice.
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On November 20 2013 16:33 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:05 Shelke14 wrote:
Wei why no mention of turtle? TSM too good To be honest. I've only seen the him stream adc like twice.
To be fair, Turtle does some pretty troll plays and builds that only work because he's Turtle.
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Turtle is the guy with like 3-4 accounts in challenger right?
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