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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
November 20 2013 03:31 GMT
#4081
On November 20 2013 12:03 nosliw wrote:
What are some common ADC mastery page? I'm just started to learn the role. TIA

21/9, 21/5/4, 21/0/9, and rarely, 19/0/11.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 03:47:47
November 20 2013 03:43 GMT
#4082
Moved to appropriate thread.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 20 2013 03:45 GMT
#4083
21/1/8 was used a lot for some time, at least a lot more commonly than 21/0/9 from what I remember. 17/13/0 is also used for some lanes like Corki vs Caitlyn.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 03:49:36
November 20 2013 03:49 GMT
#4084
This read was interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1qzqmi/s4_na_lcs_promotions_current_status_potential/

I didn't keep an eye on Quantic these days, but are they stronger than Curse/Coast? It feels to me that the challenger teams might have a better chance as themselves than getting picked up by velocity... considering if you become velocity you are almost 100% gonna play against Quantic.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 04:04:32
November 20 2013 04:04 GMT
#4085
On November 20 2013 12:49 Sufficiency wrote:
This read was interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1qzqmi/s4_na_lcs_promotions_current_status_potential/

I didn't keep an eye on Quantic these days, but are they stronger than Curse/Coast? It feels to me that the challenger teams might have a better chance as themselves than getting picked up by velocity... considering if you become velocity you are almost 100% gonna play against Quantic.


Curse and Coast > Quantic. I think Quantic can beat both of those teams in a series, but they are horribly inconsistent. I mean they lost in NA qualifier #1, they still have to qualify (which they should, but something about not counting chickens before they hatch....)
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 04:27:24
November 20 2013 04:26 GMT
#4086
Looking at winrates right now, just some thoughts for season 4 patch(whenever that comes). Personally I like buffing over nerfing unless something is ridiculously out of line.

Urgot needs buffs. Probably something like 100 range on locked Q, increase in the base range of his ult, and possibly a small mana reduction on Q to compensate for the nerfed tear stacking(god knows he needs that to scale anywhere).

Noct probably doesn't need changes, he'll probably fare quite a bit better in the new jungle with more money. Corki probably needs a little bit of a nerf reversion. Elise IMO is fine. Winrate plummeted because of champ elise skin, that's all. Ryze, Ali GP could use a little bit of help.

Everybody 47% and over is probably fine.(except sivir, she's probably a bit out of line)
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 20 2013 04:29 GMT
#4087
On November 20 2013 13:26 Amui wrote:
Looking at winrates right now, just some thoughts for season 4 patch(whenever that comes). Personally I like buffing over nerfing unless something is ridiculously out of line.

Urgot needs buffs. Probably something like 100 range on locked Q, increase in the base range of his ult, and possibly a small mana reduction on Q to compensate for the nerfed tear stacking(god knows he needs that to scale anywhere).

Noct probably doesn't need changes, he'll probably fare quite a bit better in the new jungle with more money. Corki probably needs a little bit of a nerf reversion. Elise IMO is fine. Winrate plummeted because of champ elise skin, that's all. Ryze, Ali GP could use a little bit of help.

Everybody 47% and over is probably fine.(except sivir, she's probably a bit out of line)

I think Corki just needs the PBE nerfs to not go through. He's a bit weak atm, but is honestly not in too bad a place.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 20 2013 04:47 GMT
#4088
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
November 20 2013 04:51 GMT
#4089
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

Ability to solo carry a game only needing a tear and RoA, his base damages are also stupidly high on his full combo. Think of him as the Tristana/Vayne of AP carries, a ticking timebomb
Steam: rook492
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 04:52:44
November 20 2013 04:52 GMT
#4090
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?


Either ban the assassin to stop snowballing due to what above poster said, or to ban so your team doesn't first pick it into a counterpick and go 0-X and feed like a buffet.
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
November 20 2013 05:00 GMT
#4091
Can anyone recommend me a good adc to watch stream? I would be watching to learn but they don't necessarily have to be a learning stream. Would be best if they either had VODs or lived on the west coast. Thanks in advance!
All hail the glorious I sell T.Vs at Best Buy || #1 REQUIZEN FANBOI || IGN: .AK/BEST ANTIMAGE NA || Plat IV ADC Main
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 20 2013 05:01 GMT
#4092
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
November 20 2013 05:06 GMT
#4093
On November 20 2013 13:51 Crusnik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

Ability to solo carry a game only needing a tear and RoA, his base damages are also stupidly high on his full combo. Think of him as the Tristana/Vayne of AP carries, a ticking timebomb

Ah, I see.
On November 20 2013 13:52 Kinie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?


Either ban the assassin to stop snowballing due to what above poster said, or to ban so your team doesn't first pick it into a counterpick and go 0-X and feed like a buffet.

For my future knowledge, what are the good counter-picks to him?
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
November 20 2013 05:07 GMT
#4094
On November 20 2013 14:00 .AK wrote:
Can anyone recommend me a good adc to watch stream? I would be watching to learn but they don't necessarily have to be a learning stream. Would be best if they either had VODs or lived on the west coast. Thanks in advance!


TSM WildTurtle's been pretty decent with commentary/talking about his thought process as of late when he plays ADCs, I think c9's Sneaky sometimes streams too.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 05:07:51
November 20 2013 05:07 GMT
#4095
I don't think Kassadin is not OP, I mean, he had been the same for 1+ year and no one played him. I just think most players in soloQ do not know how to play against one. Also, you need to play differently against a Kassadin team, which I feel most gold players (i.e. around my level) don't realize.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
November 20 2013 05:11 GMT
#4096
On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well.

Tell that to C9.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 20 2013 05:12 GMT
#4097
??
they pick kass
you pick sion and go mid
proceed to collect easiest elo of your life
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-20 05:16:31
November 20 2013 05:13 GMT
#4098
On November 20 2013 14:06 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:51 Crusnik wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

Ability to solo carry a game only needing a tear and RoA, his base damages are also stupidly high on his full combo. Think of him as the Tristana/Vayne of AP carries, a ticking timebomb

Ah, I see.
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:52 Kinie wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?


Either ban the assassin to stop snowballing due to what above poster said, or to ban so your team doesn't first pick it into a counterpick and go 0-X and feed like a buffet.

For my future knowledge, what are the good counter-picks to him?

Alot of things are strong against kass in early levels of lane, but after that nothing counters him and that's why he's so strong. Closest would be things like talon or fizz, all-in champs early game that will guarantee kills on him so he's useless midgame, zed used to be pretty strong against him, but idk about now. Heavy CC team comps are closest thing to a kass counter, stun him when he ults in to q+e and kill him.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 20 2013 05:26 GMT
#4099
On November 20 2013 14:12 FinestHour wrote:
??
they pick kass
you pick sion and go mid
proceed to collect easiest elo of your life


Also try Mordekaiser.

+ Show Spoiler +
But only works until level 7.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 20 2013 05:27 GMT
#4100
On November 20 2013 14:11 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 14:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:
So, is Kassadin overpowered or why is he basically permaban right now?

I honestly don't think he's overpowered at high level, but he's a monster in solo queue since he can snowball and roam extremely well.

Tell that to C9.

1 series doesn't prove anything. We've had this discussion before. Fnatic is virtually the only pro team that utilizes Kassadin to the extent that he seems powerful. Virtually no other pro team plays or prioritizes Kassadin as a high pick/ban unless they're playing against Fnatic.
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