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Baa?21248 Posts
On November 11 2013 08:12 TheEmulator wrote:
Cool, thanks for the answers. Was just curious because I have friends that are taking months to get promoted and I was like they're either terribad and not improving or the system is tough.
@Wei - so you're saying a fresh account just hitting level 30 can hit diamond in 3-4 days?
Probably not unless they dedicated the entire day to grinding games and they're actually mid-high diamond material.
If you have 100+ games where you're actually playing somewhat seriously you're pretty much very close to the division you "belong" in, though with the fact that you can't drop between divisions there's some "inflation" over the course of the season.
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On November 11 2013 08:04 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol  You can probably maintain 80+% winrate until you hit somewhere around mid plat, at which point it'll drop down to ~55-60%(Assuming D4 or so in skill). Some games you simply won't win(stuff like jungle tryn getting 4 kills by 5 minutes for example). Probably around 100-200 games to get to diamond though unless you're really, really fucking good. Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 07:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:
How good of practice is intermediate co-op vs bots? Do they play on like bronze level? Depends on the bot. Something like annie/fiddle bot will be a challenge for the majority of bronze league, but for the most part, they're pretty fucking bad. Good for learning/practicing a new hero, not good for much else.
Ah, I see. I have been trying to learn riven (mechanically and all) and decided to go against bots rather than torture people. So I went riven mid and have gone against annie, fiddle and ryze. Annie and fiddle werent too bad (well, fiddle started to shit on me late game since they also had chogath so I was like perma silenced/knocked up/feared) but ryze I was kind of struggling against.
The one thing I kind of have an issue with is actually killing them early. I poke and get them a little low, but they go back to base so often it is hard to finish the job.
EDIT: We still won of course, but I was at like 10-10-14 by the end or something like that (vs ryze)
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On November 11 2013 08:26 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 08:04 Amui wrote:On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol You can probably maintain 80+% winrate until you hit somewhere around mid plat, at which point it'll drop down to ~55-60%(Assuming D4 or so in skill). Some games you simply won't win(stuff like jungle tryn getting 4 kills by 5 minutes for example). Probably around 100-200 games to get to diamond though unless you're really, really fucking good. On November 11 2013 07:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:
How good of practice is intermediate co-op vs bots? Do they play on like bronze level? Depends on the bot. Something like annie/fiddle bot will be a challenge for the majority of bronze league, but for the most part, they're pretty fucking bad. Good for learning/practicing a new hero, not good for much else. Ah, I see. I have been trying to learn riven (mechanically and all) and decided to go against bots rather than torture people. So I went riven mid and have gone against annie, fiddle and ryze. Annie and fiddle werent too bad (well, fiddle started to shit on me late game since they also had chogath so I was like perma silenced/knocked up/feared) but ryze I was kind of struggling against. The one thing I kind of have an issue with is actually killing them early. I poke and get them a little low, but they go back to base so often it is hard to finish the job. EDIT: We still won of course, but I was at like 10-10-14 by the end or something like that (vs ryze)
Go to 1:50 on this video, thats how you beat Ryze as Riven
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On November 11 2013 08:07 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 08:04 Amui wrote:On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol You can probably maintain 80+% winrate until you hit somewhere around mid plat, at which point it'll drop down to ~55-60%(Assuming D4 or so in skill). Some games you simply won't win(stuff like jungle tryn getting 4 kills by 5 minutes for example). In terms of timeframe though. Like in sc2 back when I was high masters I leveled a smurf to masters in like 1-2 days, but it seems like LoL takes longer?
In LoL, Silver1 is 15% percentile, and Gold1 is 2% percentile, so in a way it's harder to get up from leagues to leagues.
If you keep wining, it's not that hard for you to get up in league of course lol. super pro like WildTurtle got his smurf to Challenger league in 100+ games.
Realistically though, because of the Promotion Series, where you have to play bo3, bo5 in order to get promoted, it's gonna take a while (more than 1-2day) to get to diamond5 from Bronze1 since Promotion Series games alone are already 44 games, not counting games between.
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On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol
Where the heck where you hidden all this time? O_O
Do you casually read the LoL sub-forum or just passing by?
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On November 11 2013 08:38 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 08:07 TheEmulator wrote:On November 11 2013 08:04 Amui wrote:On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol You can probably maintain 80+% winrate until you hit somewhere around mid plat, at which point it'll drop down to ~55-60%(Assuming D4 or so in skill). Some games you simply won't win(stuff like jungle tryn getting 4 kills by 5 minutes for example). In terms of timeframe though. Like in sc2 back when I was high masters I leveled a smurf to masters in like 1-2 days, but it seems like LoL takes longer? In LoL, Silver1 is 15% percentile, and Gold1 is 2% percentile, so in a way it's harder to get up from leagues to leagues. If you keep wining, it's not that hard for you to get up in league of course lol. super pro like WildTurtle got his smurf to Challenger league in 100+ games. Realistically though, because of the Promotion Series, where you have to play bo3, bo5 in order to get promoted, it's gonna take a while (more than 1-2day) to get to diamond5 from Bronze1 since Promotion Series games alone are already 44 games, not counting games between.
Assuming you're diamond 1 material, you should be skipping divisions for silver and gold. Skipping s4 and s2, and g4 and g 2.
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On November 11 2013 07:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:
How good of practice is intermediate co-op vs bots? Do they play on like bronze level?
Bots are stupid easy. I can play a mage one handed while clicking my abilities and beat them.
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On November 11 2013 08:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 08:26 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 11 2013 08:04 Amui wrote:On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol You can probably maintain 80+% winrate until you hit somewhere around mid plat, at which point it'll drop down to ~55-60%(Assuming D4 or so in skill). Some games you simply won't win(stuff like jungle tryn getting 4 kills by 5 minutes for example). Probably around 100-200 games to get to diamond though unless you're really, really fucking good. On November 11 2013 07:16 TheRabidDeer wrote:
How good of practice is intermediate co-op vs bots? Do they play on like bronze level? Depends on the bot. Something like annie/fiddle bot will be a challenge for the majority of bronze league, but for the most part, they're pretty fucking bad. Good for learning/practicing a new hero, not good for much else. Ah, I see. I have been trying to learn riven (mechanically and all) and decided to go against bots rather than torture people. So I went riven mid and have gone against annie, fiddle and ryze. Annie and fiddle werent too bad (well, fiddle started to shit on me late game since they also had chogath so I was like perma silenced/knocked up/feared) but ryze I was kind of struggling against. The one thing I kind of have an issue with is actually killing them early. I poke and get them a little low, but they go back to base so often it is hard to finish the job. EDIT: We still won of course, but I was at like 10-10-14 by the end or something like that (vs ryze) Go to 1:50 on this video, thats how you beat Ryze as Riven + Show Spoiler +
lol
Unfortunately I don't have the runes to be able to do that yet. He has 10 more AD than me at level 1. Ryze seemed to be stunned though, usually it is just a knockup, isnt it?
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On November 11 2013 08:40 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 07:59 TheEmulator wrote:How is league progression in LoL anyways? Is it like super hard to get from league to league? Like let's say you just got to level 30 and started to play ranked, would it take forever to get diamond? Assuming that you're diamond material, obviously you won't get to diamond if you suck, lol Where the heck where you hidden all this time? O_O Do you casually read the LoL sub-forum or just passing by?
haha
Yeah I read it quite a bit actually. I've started playing LoL a bit more this past week (want to get to lvl 30 and start ranked soon), so I'm starting to ask questions and stuff. It's kind of like how I read KMD since page 1 but didn't start posting until 800 pages in, lol.
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I believe its reasonably fast if you're willing to commit the time and effort, assuming that you're diamond material it probably only takes a couple of hundred ranked games to get somewhere close to that, but likely not all that many straight to plat
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United States37500 Posts
If you're legit diamond material, it should take you 50-100 games to reach D5.
That said, it's a big difference between a D5 and D1 player.
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So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D
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On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D
What? What rune restructuring? They finally reducing the prices on them?
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On November 11 2013 09:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D What? What rune restructuring? They finally reducing the prices on them?
Their intention: Marks will be offensive, seals defensive, and glyphs utility. Quints will be a grab bag. Presumably, all the runes that don't match, i.e. ad glyphs, will be removed from the game an refunded.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D
No rune overhaul to date has come with a refund. Expecting one is wishful thinking.
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On November 11 2013 09:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D No rune overhaul to date has come with a refund. Expecting one is wishful thinking.
I don't remember a rune overhaul where they removed runes from the game outside of dodge runes, where they did.
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Pitcairn19291 Posts
On November 11 2013 09:30 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D No rune overhaul to date has come with a refund. Expecting one is wishful thinking.
Yango why u dodge?
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On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D
Yeah I don't see that happening at all.
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How are they restructuring runes>?
link?
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On November 11 2013 09:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 09:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:On November 11 2013 09:24 Gahlo wrote:
So, if riot does the rune restructuring the way I think they will, I'm looking at a 35.5k IP refund. =D What? What rune restructuring? They finally reducing the prices on them? Their intention: Marks will be offensive, seals defensive, and glyphs utility. Quints will be a grab bag. Presumably, all the runes that don't match, i.e. ad glyphs, will be removed from the game an refunded.
Interesting. Aren't people typically doing this as it is though?
Also, in other news.... tried vs bots again and you guys are right they are pretty easy. I dont know why I did so poorly the other day. I did the flash/ignite Q dive vs ryze and it definitely did not work though lol. I got away but he had too much health left. I mightve missed an auto or two or something. Not really too sure tbh.
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