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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
November 09 2013 00:04 GMT
#2361
On November 09 2013 07:49 UnKooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 07:33 Requizen wrote:
The first mode we’re introducing is One For All, which consists of two teams of five players all using the same champion. The One For All matchmaking queue will be featured on Summoner’s Rift


Oh goodness this will be fun. 5 TF games suddenly 5 man ult to mid lane bwahahaha

what about 5 popstar ahris doing recall animation at the same time like a girl group lol

someone pay this man
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
November 09 2013 00:04 GMT
#2362
Ufff I finally got my last lifesteal Quint ~~ But i got a bad feeling it will get nerfed in S4 or smth o_O Also got a question, are there any particular junglers that like LF quints more then MS etc.?
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2400 Posts
November 09 2013 00:18 GMT
#2363
On November 09 2013 09:04 Taktik wrote:
Ufff I finally got my last lifesteal Quint ~~ But i got a bad feeling it will get nerfed in S4 or smth o_O Also got a question, are there any particular junglers that like LF quints more then MS etc.?


AD based junglers like Lee/Riven/Vi/Xin they're nice IF you wanna do a dblade start. Other than that i don't think so.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 09 2013 00:47 GMT
#2364
Yah, ls quints will get nerfed.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
November 09 2013 01:07 GMT
#2365
On November 09 2013 09:47 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yah, ls quints will get nerfed.


I think that would be a great change.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
November 09 2013 01:41 GMT
#2366
On November 09 2013 06:44 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 06:17 Requizen wrote:
[image loading]

5x vs 5y mode for those of you who like that sort of thing :3

dat 5zigg in the background lol.
They look happy.
Happy mode is happy.


can we talk about how stupid it is that the queue is for summoner's rift and not aram

I mean, think about the really fun 5v5 matches. blitz, alistar, etc. Those game'll just never end 5v5! Why is aram not a queue!

It's pretty sweet that they're finally adding it though :3
:3
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 09 2013 01:44 GMT
#2367
On November 09 2013 10:41 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 06:44 canikizu wrote:
On November 09 2013 06:17 Requizen wrote:
[image loading]

5x vs 5y mode for those of you who like that sort of thing :3

dat 5zigg in the background lol.
They look happy.
Happy mode is happy.


can we talk about how stupid it is that the queue is for summoner's rift and not aram

I mean, think about the really fun 5v5 matches. blitz, alistar, etc. Those game'll just never end 5v5! Why is aram not a queue!

It's pretty sweet that they're finally adding it though :3

You can custom it onto any map tho
It's your boy Guzma!
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
November 09 2013 01:47 GMT
#2368
On November 09 2013 10:44 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 10:41 Eiii wrote:
On November 09 2013 06:44 canikizu wrote:
On November 09 2013 06:17 Requizen wrote:
[image loading]

5x vs 5y mode for those of you who like that sort of thing :3

dat 5zigg in the background lol.
They look happy.
Happy mode is happy.


can we talk about how stupid it is that the queue is for summoner's rift and not aram

I mean, think about the really fun 5v5 matches. blitz, alistar, etc. Those game'll just never end 5v5! Why is aram not a queue!

It's pretty sweet that they're finally adding it though :3

You can custom it onto any map tho


custom != queue
:3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 09 2013 01:53 GMT
#2369
On November 09 2013 07:18 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 05:58 Alaric wrote:
On November 09 2013 05:40 Dusty wrote:
On November 09 2013 05:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think its an overreaction. I mean, sivir went from virtually unplayed to almost every game. People are probably not used to playing against sivir atm


err, she just does way too much damage and her ult is completely retarded, a 10 second 900 range shuerliyas? nah just not used to playing against it

not to mention that the spellshield lasts for three seconds which is complete bullshit

How did you play in s2 when Shurelya was in every team?
How do you deal with captain's boots Malph doing an ult-initiation on your team?
Really, Sivir's ult is 60% MS buff decreasing to 20% over 4s, so it's around Shurelya-level, then stays at 20% for 6 more seconds, which ensures you get away or helps you chase.

However, AoE slows and stuff still fuck it over (try ulting when Wither'd or while running over the Dissonance AoE for kicks 'n' giggles) and it's more or less all her ult. The active doesn't give anything else. If the enemy team can disengage, or is stronger than you, or has strong counter-initiation, or you want to dive them entranched under a tower, it won't do anything.

You have to account for it when you want to dive her team, or when you're playing Dora away from your teammates. Sure. But that's nothing new, it just happens more often than in earlier s3 now.

Her ult is leagues above Shurelyas and captain boots. It let's you travel effectively 3-5x further than when Shurelyas is active and the easiest way to play against captain boots malphite is to play ranked (when's the last time you really saw captain boots beig bought in a semi-non-troll game? Imagine if every member of the team had a Shurelyas in S2 and that's Sivir's ult. It is way different than a team having 1-2 every game like before. Sure AOE slows/stuns can stop a sivir team, but realistically, there are very few champs that off that air slow potential that are commonly picked (don't know why you mentioned wither). Dissonance is pretty easy to avoid outside of the jungle. I can only think of Ashe, Zyra, Varus and Rumble as the common picks with AOE slows/stuns and less commonly Syndra, Veigar, Trundle, and Anivia (I'm sure there's more). Is Sivir overpowered? I can't say but her ult isn't nearly as easy to escape/avoid as you make it sound.

Best case, 60% for 4 seconds, 20% for 6: 360% of your base MS.
Worst case, 60% for 1 second, 20% for 9 (it's actually better than that): 240% of your base MS.
Shurelya is 40% for 3 seconds, so 120% of your base MS.
Sivir's ult is between 2 and 3 times more than Shurelya, although during the first 3 seconds it's either 1.5 more than Shurelya, or slightly more (assuming it drops linearly from 60 to 20 over these 4 seconds).

In actuality, it's a bunch less than that because of how the MS caps work, since even bootless Anivia reaches at least the soft cap with a 40% MS buff, meaning the gap is reduced.

Her ult's active doesn't grant anything else, though. Buy a Shurelya, burn it right when Sivir burns her ult, and unless you're busy chasing or running after the 4 initial seconds, it'll have been as if she didn't have an active ult at all. Caitlyn's sure is impressive in direct combat.

Gangplank, Zac, Lulu, Orianna, amongst others, have AoE slows. If you just want AoE cc on a cooldown equal or shorter to Sivir's ult, you can add Janna, Gragas, Aatrox, Cassiopeia, Cho'Gath, Singed, Viktor, Draven, Galio (added with MS buff), Heimerdinger, Graves, Jinx, Karma (added with teamwide MS buff), Karthus, Kog'Maw, Lissandra, Leona, Lux, Miss Fortune, Nami, Orianna, Swain, Talon, Teemo, Twitch, Tristana, Zed, Ziggs, Yorick. Struck champions either lack range (Talon, etc.), instantaneousness (Swain, etc.), or potency (Yorick, Cassiopeia, Graves, etc.) to really stop the rush.

It is as impossible to deal with Sivir as it was in s2 when you had Sona going Shurelya -> Crescendo on your face. Except stuff like Zyra or Lulu came out since.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 09 2013 02:20 GMT
#2370
In my limited experience against and with sivir, most people just don't respect how much damage taking a boomerang to the face is. The ult is pretty strong, sure, but it's not really all that insane especially if you have a good disengage tool like Zyra, Sona, Ashe, Lulu, the list goes on. It's basically a glorified Shurelya's, nothing more. Sivir herself still suffers from pathetic range and is still pretty darn easy to focus down. People just need to learn to respect her damage and not eat boomerangs all day.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 02:56:03
November 09 2013 02:30 GMT
#2371
Yeah, most of my experience was "oh it's Sivir, oh she missed her Q, better ignore her she used her ult to run half a screen away anyway", then they all line-up to try and focus the closest enemy champ and Sivir gets 2+ free W casts because she gets ignored. Her spellshield also means that if you want to get to her, you need to bait it or simply then more than, say, Zed against her so she doesn't counter your diver reliant on one specific ability to deal with her.

She's still squishy as heck and suffering from low range, as long as you respect her buffed long-term pushing and don't treat her as a Caitlyn in terms of raw damage output, and remember that Zed, Ahri, Swain and the kind are going to feel silly if they telegraph their intention to off her, she's not any harder to deal with than Varus, or Graves.

Of course Sivir being rather good against dedicated divers and more susceptible to AoE (or instant abilities like Wither that don't give her time to react) helps her case considering the current popular picks.

Sona is a lot more limited because her ult's cd is still quite longer than Sivir's, and her main contribution to a teamfight, so unless you plan to counterinitiate off of Crescendo it's a really bad trade to burn that long cd game-changing ult just for a Shurelya.


While I'm at it, Crescendo is a straight-line rather than an overall trapezium, right? I think so but the particle has always bothered me (tinner at the end than the base) so I think I'm unconsciously unwilling to use its max range because I base my predictions on the particle rather than the hitbox.
(Translatable by "I'm a pussy who almost never initiates with Crescendo".)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 02:37:51
November 09 2013 02:37 GMT
#2372
Yea the absence of aoe wombo combo comps also make Sivir a bit stronger since she's in much less danger if she can spellshield scary targeted cc/spells, whereas if people start running wombo combo champions her spellshield is worthless and her range really becomes a liability.

I could be wrong about this but Sona's ult hitbox is basically a rectangle, but it actually extends slightly further than the tip of the animation.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 09 2013 02:40 GMT
#2373
On November 09 2013 07:49 UnKooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2013 07:33 Requizen wrote:
The first mode we’re introducing is One For All, which consists of two teams of five players all using the same champion. The One For All matchmaking queue will be featured on Summoner’s Rift


Oh goodness this will be fun. 5 TF games suddenly 5 man ult to mid lane bwahahaha

what about 5 popstar ahris doing recall animation at the same time like a girl group lol

Somebody got to make a clip of 10 popstar Ahri do SNSD dance.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
November 09 2013 02:53 GMT
#2374
sona ult is rectangular; see the particle on arcade sona for an accurate visual
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
November 09 2013 03:41 GMT
#2375
I think you missed the point, its the fact that all of her skills right now in conjunction are completely ridiculous, she simply has too much power.

also anyone who claims sivir ult isn't gamechanging is simply wrong, you raise the power level of so many other champions as well, specifically those without gapclosers.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 09 2013 04:00 GMT
#2376
On November 09 2013 12:41 Dusty wrote:
I think you missed the point, its the fact that all of her skills right now in conjunction are completely ridiculous, she simply has too much power.

also anyone who claims sivir ult isn't gamechanging is simply wrong, you raise the power level of so many other champions as well, specifically those without gapclosers.


Nasus on the forefront.
Hey! How you doin'?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 09 2013 04:04 GMT
#2377
Was watching some vods of new Sivir pushing. Her speed is insane. I don't think I like the idea of teams drawing out games.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-09 04:12:35
November 09 2013 04:11 GMT
#2378
On November 09 2013 09:47 UniversalSnip wrote:
Yah, ls quints will get nerfed.

I don't use them, so yessss. Buff ArPen, nerf LS and AD.

On November 09 2013 13:04 obesechicken13 wrote:
Was watching some vods of new Sivir pushing. Her speed is insane. I don't think I like the idea of teams drawing out games.

She's still a shadow of her pre-rework self. I want my toggle ricochet back. :<

/nostalgia
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 09 2013 04:14 GMT
#2379
On November 09 2013 12:41 Dusty wrote:
I think you missed the point, its the fact that all of her skills right now in conjunction are completely ridiculous, she simply has too much power.

also anyone who claims sivir ult isn't gamechanging is simply wrong, you raise the power level of so many other champions as well, specifically those without gapclosers.

Just because ulti is game changing doesn't mean the champ is good.
Exhibit A) amumu.
liftlift > tsm
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 09 2013 04:18 GMT
#2380
are people forgetting boomerang damage is like halved on pbe
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