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Dang, dis Orianna laning nerf. Her HP pool is really small, so without the 10 bonus MR from level 1 shield she's really going to struggle against AP assassins. That's a 7% more damage taken assuming flat MR glyphs (42 base MR, 52 with current E and ball on her).
Also Nautilus feels weaaaaaaaaaaaaak. Even though we snowballed pretty hard (had to start Q because invade, didn't even get an assist, so got 3 buffs but super late, made up for it by killing Xin for fb, he hit 2 first and still was losing to Vlad wtf), his kit is still has fun as ever but he... well, he's not that manavorous, he just has actual costs (and cd on W) contrary to most of the roster, and his damage is really crap now.
Makes me sad.  Looks like you really need to get off several ganks early (eg. don't even try playing him versus Lee or Jarvan or Aatrox, I only picked him because they had Sej and Swain already) and have your laners snowball because you'll stop doing shit pretty fast.
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On November 08 2013 06:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I also don't think renekton is a problem. He definitely has counters and bad matchups; the issue is that the current fotm top laners are all handily beaten by renekton.
What are these counters? My experience is he is always annoying unless played by a baddie. His lategame is not horrifying compared to some of the other toplaners, but what games are decided lategame anyways?
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I think the main reason renek is so scary is that from about 10-25ish minutes or so, assuming he did decently & built full tank, he can effectively tank an entire team while dealing enough damage that he can't be ignored, as well as being just about most well rounded 1v1 and 1v2 laner, with no really bad matchups, and a ton of good(counterpick) matchups.
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I remember back in S2 Olaf and Irelia were pretty good againt Renekton, but I don't know if that's still true.
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On November 08 2013 07:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 06:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I also don't think renekton is a problem. He definitely has counters and bad matchups; the issue is that the current fotm top laners are all handily beaten by renekton. What are these counters? My experience is he is always annoying unless played by a baddie. His lategame is not horrifying compared to some of the other toplaners, but what games are decided lategame anyways?
In my experience, Irelia does pretty well against Renekton if she can survive the first 3~4 levels w/out getting too far behind, which isn't too hard with a dshield start and early jungle pressure. I've also been able to regularly stomp Renektons in high plat with GP, although a good part of that could be because they don't know how to play against GP and GP can at least go even in almost every lane.
Basically, if you can punish Renekton when he's trying to generate fury it's a favorable matchup. Renekton's damage output is pathetic w/out enraged abilities. Koreasilver mentioned Olaf and I remember he did pretty well against Renek. Thing about Renekton is that if he can't generate fury or if he has to waste Q cooldowns generating fury he's in a bad place. So champions that can abuse that like Olaf, Irelia, GP who can harass and outtrade him when he moves up to cs/generate fury tend to do well. In contrast, champs like Shen, Jax, Malphite, who either have weak early games or bad sustained harass get wrecked by Renekton.
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^Renekton has kill potential on Shen up until Shen gets Sunfire. Shen with Sunfire can 1v1 Renekton in most cases from what I've played/seen, assuming he isn't 50 cs behind.
I'd list Vlad as a sort-of counter to Renekton. Even if Renekton can kill Vlad 2 or 3 times early, Vlad's natural level scaling will pull ahead by lvl 9. Kennen kinda dumpsters Renekton. Riven is pretty even.
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United States23745 Posts
On November 08 2013 06:05 iCanada wrote:
Wut.
They buffed corki.
o.o
Real?
Apparently there's a missile cast time now so it's no longer instant.
(Source)
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On November 08 2013 08:38 onlywonderboy wrote:Apparently there's a missile cast time now so it's no longer instant. ( Source)
That's a nice change imo, I think they over did it with the ult nerf though.
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Yeah, the description says it "lobs" the missile. Riot's point on Corki was pretty much "you can instantly auto-Q someone so his trading his super strong, hence the limitations elsewhere, for example mana cost" awhile ago, guess they wanted to "streamline" it.
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United States23745 Posts
I'm also going to be doing some work for onGamers despite my name not being on the list 
Still gonna be write for TL, but figured this would be a great opportunity to branch out and write some different content.
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I would be cool if they changed the ult from missiles to little thrown bombs like Zigg q
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bjergerking+oddone>Aphrolift!
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Oddone and Bjergsen vs. Aphromoo and Doublelift on Oddone/Bjergsen's stream was absolutely hilarious. It was basically a 2v2 game with every non pro just around for the ride.
It's really striking to see the difference between the pros and even the good solo queue players. Like WoDx and cat8 were in that game and both were hugely irrelevant.
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On November 08 2013 07:57 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 07:39 cLutZ wrote:On November 08 2013 06:39 Ryuu314 wrote:
I also don't think renekton is a problem. He definitely has counters and bad matchups; the issue is that the current fotm top laners are all handily beaten by renekton. What are these counters? My experience is he is always annoying unless played by a baddie. His lategame is not horrifying compared to some of the other toplaners, but what games are decided lategame anyways? In my experience, Irelia does pretty well against Renekton if she can survive the first 3~4 levels w/out getting too far behind, which isn't too hard with a dshield start and early jungle pressure. I've also been able to regularly stomp Renektons in high plat with GP, although a good part of that could be because they don't know how to play against GP and GP can at least go even in almost every lane. Basically, if you can punish Renekton when he's trying to generate fury it's a favorable matchup. Renekton's damage output is pathetic w/out enraged abilities. Koreasilver mentioned Olaf and I remember he did pretty well against Renek. Thing about Renekton is that if he can't generate fury or if he has to waste Q cooldowns generating fury he's in a bad place. So champions that can abuse that like Olaf, Irelia, GP who can harass and outtrade him when he moves up to cs/generate fury tend to do well. In contrast, champs like Shen, Jax, Malphite, who either have weak early games or bad sustained harass get wrecked by Renekton.
I dont know anything about GP matchups, but I love Irelia, and find that if the jungle pressure is equal it is much worse for Irelia, and in a 2v2 she is weaker, generally. She has a better lategame, but I don't thing her tenacity really outmatches his natural tankiness until she gets TF+1.5 tank items (like Randuins + Negatron or SV+Wardens). Olaf is much the same, his place in the game is dubious to me right now.
I agree with the premise that Renekton can be dealt with, I just think he needs to be dealt with by a team, or just get terribly outplayed, so thats why I find him super annoying. That, plus, of course, manaless.
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In my experience kennnen/nasus(a few times rumble surprisingly) do really well vs renek.
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Renekton gets wrecked pretty hard 1v1 if he's not incredibly cautious about his trades (except vs Riven. fuck this matchup). You just need to take a champion with big continuous damage to be able to kill him once he ults. Namely Jax, Trynda, Rumble, Ryze, or just go Panth and straight up manfight him from lvl1 onward.
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How long is the AmEx serve RP+ supposed to take to kick in after I already did the paypal direct deposit? The money has been on the card since Monday, but I haven't gotten the 10k rp yet.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
What? Renek reks Jax 1v1, unlike Jax he has innate sustain and ability to push lanes quickly, Jax needs to stack up his passive and later his ultimate to win a fight but with Renekton Stun+Q+double jump combo Jax can't get to the creepwave without taking a lot of damage at first. Renek is one of the few people that does well in lane against Jax.
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Kennen is still really good vs Renekton. Until he builds a giants belt. Then killing him becomes near impossible, because he actually has 2 1/2 giants belts thanks to his ult.
Fucker has way too much built in damage.
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