• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:27
CEST 14:27
KST 21:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!33Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro24 Group F BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
Violent Games and Crime Rate…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6862 users

[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 321

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 319 320 321 322 323 331 Next
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
September 30 2013 13:02 GMT
#6401
Isnt guitar in charge of Velocity?
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
September 30 2013 13:04 GMT
#6402
Even if their management failed hard (and it certainly sounds like that happened) Vile wasn't a typical 18 year old kid. I'd have thought he would be able to sort at least some of those problems out himself. Heck if I am moving somewhere where my living situation is shady at best, I'd have my inflatable camping mat and my sleeping bag with me just in case.

The bigger problem to me is the PC situation, how did Guitar think they would play if they don't have access to a room where they can put their own PCs? They should have either rented at least 4h a day in a lan cafe (ideally while scheduling 3 scrims into that timeperiod).

It's a shame they had such a bad experience, but if you ignore the outside problems (living situation etc.) they seem to have had quite a few problems on the team dynamic level as well.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 13:18:05
September 30 2013 13:04 GMT
#6403
On September 30 2013 22:02 nanospartan wrote:
Isnt guitar in charge of Velocity?

yes

on a tangentially related note, the first post at http://marnorz.blogspot.com/ is informative with regards to what finances are like for an lcs team. it appears that the two big money hurdles are the initial move in cost, which must be covered by the team until riot salaries are paid out, and salary expectations by the team members
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
September 30 2013 13:23 GMT
#6404
On September 30 2013 22:04 Clinic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 22:02 nanospartan wrote:
Isnt guitar in charge of Velocity?

yes

on a tangentially related note, the first post at http://marnorz.blogspot.com/ is informative with regards to what finances are like for an lcs team. it appears that the two big money hurdles are the initial move in cost, which must be covered by the team until riot salaries are paid out, and salary expectations by the team members

Wow, :/ that's rough man @_@
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 30 2013 13:47 GMT
#6405
After reading that I'd say that gtrsrs is the most incompetent manager I've seen in quite some time.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
September 30 2013 13:58 GMT
#6406
perhaps, but that is one former member's perspective, and in the end it isn't too productive to focus criticism on what is just a (admittedly highly visible) symptom of the lack of professionalism and structure in a nascent industry
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
September 30 2013 13:58 GMT
#6407
On September 30 2013 22:47 Shikyo wrote:
After reading that I'd say that gtrsrs is the most incompetent manager I've seen in quite some time.

You should withhold judgment until every side has an opportunity to tell their take of the situation
Platinum Support GOD
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11960 Posts
September 30 2013 14:02 GMT
#6408
On September 30 2013 14:23 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 14:20 scFoX wrote:
On September 30 2013 12:40 koreasilver wrote:
Morg can actually very easily kill you 1v1 at lvl 6 if you don't respect her. Flash ult into chain binding does a surprising amount of damage, and the champions that were popular at the time didn't have the insane amount of mobility as it's common now. That's how I remember getting killed by Morg and how I killed others with Morg like two+ years ago.


Why do I hear everyone now talk about "respect" when they just mean "being careful"? It's not like a player is being polite by not engaging in a 1v1... It's become a buzzword, particularly among the worlds casters. Weird.

Yo dawg, d-one be disrespeccing me or I'm gonna muthaf******* in da face! Trick2G Peace OUT!

Also:
[image loading]


And remember, respect is everything.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 30 2013 14:03 GMT
#6409
On September 30 2013 22:47 Shikyo wrote:
After reading that I'd say that gtrsrs is the most incompetent manager I've seen in quite some time.

Quality post. So glad you got to share that with us.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 14:06:41
September 30 2013 14:06 GMT
#6410
Without having an objective view it's kind of hard to make such conclusions about a person. Although from what little we know it does seem that way. The 1Goald1Dream thing with video afterwards even thought many warned. Then Vileroze/Ecco/Cris situation. Now got two stories from Ecco/Vile about some rather dodgy happenings. Still there's no real clear picture or unbiased viewpoint so without knowing a man it's hard to judge him. All we know is heard from people that left the team which doesn't say much.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22548 Posts
September 30 2013 14:11 GMT
#6411
I would indeed caution against blaming people for anything since we sure dont have an unbiased view of things.

What we can say tho is that it is obvious that mistakes are made and that a lot of the teams seem to have little to no idea what they are getting themselves into when they get to make the move from amateur to pro. It is a big step and there is a lot to consider and players most definitely need professional help to make the transition.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 30 2013 14:14 GMT
#6412
Neo so mad these days :<

On the one hand it's rather unfortunate that these things have happened, on the other hand I'd reserve judgement until gtr has had a chance to say something about it. Reminds me of the Marn situation as Clinic stated above.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 30 2013 14:15 GMT
#6413
I will say that everything is pretty much speculation, since we don't have any idea as to the truth of the situation as outsiders.

But personally, this doesn't sound so much like "bad" management as it does "inexperienced" management. When you compare their situation to teams that have been long sponsored and established like Curse/CLG/TSM, it looks sorta bad, but not only did they come into the LCS as a new team, they were a really new team in the first place. I feel like some of what has happened may be growing pains, and that VES will find their feet once they get established and set.
It's your boy Guzma!
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
September 30 2013 14:18 GMT
#6414
I haven't played the game for about a month or so, if someone could give me a brief run through of the meta that would be really appreciated, alternatively if there is some sort of resource for this that would also be greatly appreciated.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 14:25:11
September 30 2013 14:24 GMT
#6415
On September 30 2013 23:18 Leonite7 wrote:
I haven't played the game for about a month or so, if someone could give me a brief run through of the meta that would be really appreciated, alternatively if there is some sort of resource for this that would also be greatly appreciated.


Quick rundown.
  • Buy Triforce and Spirit Visage
  • Ban Corki, Zed, Ahri, Fizz, Kassadin (assassins are a big deal, TF is OP on Corki especially)
  • Tanky top laners are great, but Renekton is top-tier (also, as Req says below, people like Jax)
  • Tanky junglers are also good; buy Mobos and SotAG and Locket (maybe) and then Oracles and wards forever.
  • If you don't like playing assassin mids, get Ori or Gragas
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 30 2013 14:24 GMT
#6416
On September 30 2013 23:18 Leonite7 wrote:
I haven't played the game for about a month or so, if someone could give me a brief run through of the meta that would be really appreciated, alternatively if there is some sort of resource for this that would also be greatly appreciated.

Not a whole lot has changed in the last month, aside from maybe the prevalence of assassins in the mid lane. Fizz, Ahri, and Zed are the folks on pick/ban status, with Ori popping up for being safe against them. Triforce users are big again - Jax, Corki, Ez, and even Kog building it with good results.
It's your boy Guzma!
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
September 30 2013 14:28 GMT
#6417
Not sure how in a week's time you aren't able to hit a store for food. I'm sure the closest store wasn't 15 miles away.

Whole thing just shouts to me how very, very unprepared the western esports organization really is. But seriously, if you have to sleep 2 days on hard floor and eat whatever junk for a whole week, each and every one of them can blame themselves a bit as well. You can do things on your own as well.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 30 2013 14:31 GMT
#6418
On September 30 2013 23:24 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 23:18 Leonite7 wrote:
I haven't played the game for about a month or so, if someone could give me a brief run through of the meta that would be really appreciated, alternatively if there is some sort of resource for this that would also be greatly appreciated.


Quick rundown.
  • Buy Triforce and Spirit Visage
  • Ban Corki, Zed, Ahri, Fizz, Kassadin (assassins are a big deal, TF is OP on Corki especially)
  • Tanky top laners are great, but Renekton is top-tier (also, as Req says below, people like Jax)
  • Tanky junglers are also good; buy Mobos and SotAG and Locket (maybe) and then Oracles and wards forever.
  • If you don't like playing assassin mids, get Ori or Gragas

wtf you talking about Gragas is totally assassin. Like a fat ninja.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
September 30 2013 14:33 GMT
#6419
the meta defining change in the most recent patch was the trinity force buff. damage buff increased to 200%, and phage now gives 20 movespeed on hit and 60 movespeed on any kill instead of a slow chance. corki, ezreal, jax, and other champions that use trinity force well are popular/strong.

mid is still dominated by assassins such as ahri and zed, with fizz now a top pick even outside of eu. a few durable teamfight oriented champions, including orianna and gragas, are also played

strong ganking jungles such as elise, jarvan, and lee sin remain priority picks

top continues to see diverse picks. renekton, shen, and jax are the most popular in recent competitive play, but there are many more viable picks at all levels of play including ap champions - namely rumble, vlad, and kennen

bot lane has not changed much with the notable exception of corki's sudden resurgence and trinity force becoming the best build on ezreal. caitlyn retains her strengths in addition to matching up well against corki, and vayne is knocked slightly due to her difficulty laning against corki,
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-30 14:50:28
September 30 2013 14:48 GMT
#6420
Hm I typed a really long response but it feels a bit silly. Either way, there's common sense stuff(places to sleep in, food like canned food, rice, macaroni, USB stick internet[works instantly, 10 euros a month], renting laptops, 10 euro desks) or at least calling everyone in advance and telling them to bring their sleeping bags with them... Then when you add stuff like the Deezer interview / having Deezer in the team in the first place, it's just not very convincing. Not like I really care that much anyway, I just was pointing out the impression I got on the subject that was being discussed. Seeing as I haven't slept in 20 hours, I probably am not going to be posting at my best. Now obviously, this entire opinion is tagged with "if this is true", so if it's proven false this entire opinion is incorrect and of course will not be held by myself either.


By the way, Elise wasn't that impressive in Worlds. I'm not sure what it is but Lee Sin and Aatrox for instance were much scarier in nearly every game. I also wonder what it is about Orianna that always makes her amazing despite all the nerfs she gets and despite being in the shadows for a while. I guess her kit really just does so many things all at once.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Prev 1 319 320 321 322 323 331 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
#102
IntoTheiNu 1106
WardiTV821
TKL 242
IndyStarCraft 224
Rex138
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 242
IndyStarCraft 224
Rex 138
mouzStarbuck 30
Trap 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49965
Calm 7548
Shuttle 5946
Jaedong 940
Horang2 789
BeSt 758
EffOrt 666
Zeus 544
Mini 366
firebathero 348
[ Show more ]
Light 289
Hyun 243
Snow 233
Stork 216
Soulkey 202
Killer 158
Last 156
ZerO 155
ZZZero.O 142
Rush 119
Pusan 83
HiyA 79
Sea.KH 73
Mind 63
hero 62
ggaemo 61
PianO 61
Hm[arnc] 49
JYJ 43
Sharp 40
actioN 38
sorry 37
Aegong 31
ToSsGirL 30
sSak 23
Sexy 16
zelot 16
Noble 15
Shine 14
SilentControl 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
scan(afreeca) 9
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
XcaliburYe450
420jenkins416
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m1812
x6flipin514
zeus363
nookyyy 68
edward57
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King191
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor191
Other Games
singsing2041
B2W.Neo644
crisheroes357
XaKoH 242
amsayoshi11
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick3070
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH327
• StrangeGG 56
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1682
Other Games
• WagamamaTV306
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
21h 33m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 33m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
GSL
1d 22h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-27
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
RSL Revival: Season 6
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.