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On August 11 2013 20:12 GolemMadness wrote:
Can someone tell me what the deal is with Ohmwrecker? Does anyone ever buy this item?
I think it's pretty undervalued as of right now. Occasionally you'll see a team with a non-initiate skirmish comp, get really far ahead, like 10k gold lead. Then can't press their advantage because the only remaining objective is turrets, and the enemy is transitioning safely and quickly. They get impatient, dive, lose massive teamfight, lose baron, game evens out, and everything is a cointoss.
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On August 12 2013 01:20 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:58 Slusher wrote:
are you fucking kidding me?
Imp?Riris?Space?Score? not impressive
Piglet? not a playmaker
please.
and actually 3v1 has become significantly less popular in korea, only 1 game from each semi final set so far has featured not had 1v1 top laner vs top laner. Korean ads are outshined by their support counterparts, and Piglet was awful last season, Riris isn't too impressive off Ezreal, the only two that are seriously exceptional are Imp and Pray (we'll ignore the Praven)
Riris has the only pentakill this season, on Vayne. with the rise of 3-1-1 Piglet has become a huge playmaker for SKT be it Vayne Ezreal or Twitch.
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On August 12 2013 01:20 Nos- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:58 Slusher wrote:
are you fucking kidding me?
Imp?Riris?Space?Score? not impressive
Piglet? not a playmaker
please.
and actually 3v1 has become significantly less popular in korea, only 1 game from each semi final set so far has featured not had 1v1 top laner vs top laner. Korean ads are outshined by their support counterparts, and Piglet was awful last season, Riris isn't too impressive off Ezreal, the only two that are seriously exceptional are Imp and Pray (we'll ignore the Praven)
I think Korean Marksmen have very strong hype cycles. What always stays tried and true are their supports.
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On August 12 2013 01:22 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 01:20 Nos- wrote:On August 12 2013 00:58 Slusher wrote:
are you fucking kidding me?
Imp?Riris?Space?Score? not impressive
Piglet? not a playmaker
please.
and actually 3v1 has become significantly less popular in korea, only 1 game from each semi final set so far has featured not had 1v1 top laner vs top laner. Korean ads are outshined by their support counterparts, and Piglet was awful last season, Riris isn't too impressive off Ezreal, the only two that are seriously exceptional are Imp and Pray (we'll ignore the Praven) Riris has the only pentakill this season, on Vayne. with the rise of 3-1-1 Piglet has become a huge playmaker for SKT be it Vayne Ezreal or Twitch.
Riris had the pentakill against HGD, which isn't a particularly strong team by any stretch of the imagination. Imp on Vayne has quadrakills against CJ Entus teams if you really want that comparison. But I will concede that Piglet has definitely improved from last season significantly, but then SKT as a team has grown as well.
Korean ADs are very strong yes, I'm not arguing that, but I don't think they're the be all end all of league ad players. The caliber of Korean supports also help tremendously
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Are you guys really judging skill off of pentakills and quadrakills... I thought you guys are better than this...
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Don't take my word for it, MakNooN himself called Riris Imp tier.
well yes obviously the Korean supports help but the statement that they were unimpressive and that SNEAKY? would crush them is too much for me to let slip by.
Now as far as your argument, that Riris is just ok, I simply disagree, I think he is the reason they made it to the playoffs as a rookie team, and I'm not trying to say that just because he got a penta, rather to say that Ezreal is his signature champion is uninformed at best.
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was waiting for wei2 to come in and tell me that MashMe is Imp Level.
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Oh come on, I think wei2 is delusional sometimes about the level of NA ADs, but he's not THAT delusional.
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On August 12 2013 01:34 AsnSensation wrote:
was waiting for wei2 to come in and tell me that MashMe is Imp Level.
MashMe playing like shit all season long, probably the biggest reason TCG looking so bad this split. Which really makes no sense, since supposedly twitch is his "best" ADC, and twitch is so FoTM.
As far as riris goes, he's improved a bunch. I think a lot of it has to do with Faker letting go of the gas pedal and letting the game flow as opposed to trying to force himself to carry.
Also, imp has a lot of help from the 2nd best support in Korea (possibly the best). I rarely see imp try and start things in lane on his own, even when he's vayne. He's 100% reliant on Mata in lane for da playz.
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eh people give Mata too much of the credit, Imp was considered good before they picked up mata, mata was considered somewhat bad before joining Ozone.
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On August 12 2013 01:42 Slusher wrote:
eh people give Mata too much of the credit, Imp was considered good before they picked up mata, mata was considered somewhat bad before joining Ozone.
players improve...
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yea he's better but attributing Imps success to him is unfounded. Have you considered that mabye Imp showed him how to lane and not vice versa?
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On August 12 2013 01:44 Slusher wrote:
yea he's better but attributing Imps success to him is unfounded. Have you considered that mabye Imp showed him how to lane and not vice versa?
Maybe, but imp seems so passive in lane waiting for Mata to force something. Maybe there is some vision things that I'm not keeping track of that Imp knows that I don't. But, it really seems like 2 different minded guys playing together in lane.
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thats just playing smart, the fact that doublelift and Piglet get away with 1v2 from time to time is part skill part luck all stupidity.
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On August 12 2013 01:49 Slusher wrote:
thats just playing smart, the fact that doublelift and Piglet get away with 1v2 from time to time is part skill part luck all stupidity.
I'm talking about laning phase though.
Also, nothing wrong with the human highlight reel.
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On August 12 2013 01:03 nafta wrote:
Na ad-s are pretty bad.I don't understand why people decided the opposite.The only difference is they have double/turtle who are pretty good when from eu only creaton/tabbz play well sometimes.Maple has his moments but he is very incosistent.
Maple is heavily weighed down by his team. VES reminds me a lot of a less skilled Spring Split CLG.
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From a support player's standpoint, I'd say you can't separate a 'professional' support and his AD (or you can put it the other way around as the AD and his support). Synergy is really, really important. Knowing how your lane partner thinks and how to follow up on that opens up a whole world of new ways to play.
I mean we can look at mechanics and stuff, but past that its like drifting from Pacific Rim almost.
Like, when I play with my AD buddy, we win a lot more than we do individually even considering the duoQ matchmaking penalty. When I soloQ and support, I have to play a lot more conservatively and play at close to an entire league's skill level lower.
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On August 12 2013 02:02 JimmiC wrote:
is there anyway to make op.gg in english?
yes
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On August 12 2013 01:49 Slusher wrote:
thats just playing smart, the fact that doublelift and Piglet get away with 1v2 from time to time is part skill part luck all stupidity.
Yeah it is definitely "luck" and "stupidity" that they know how many people they can kill considering they play correctly.Like dlift played that 1v2 vs jayce/sona like garbage but he still got it.Playing smart isn't the same as playing safe.
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