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On August 12 2013 00:25 HazMat wrote:WCS spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Scarlett and Grubby have made it pretty far in WCS (albeit AM and EU WCS, which isn't as strong as the OSL), makes me wonder if C9 can put a threat to Korea at all. I haven't watched League much lately so can someone who's watched both LCS and OGN tell me if C9 has a chance vs the top Korean teams? I mean I know C9 is all the rage right now, but the OGN finals a month back just blew me away with how far ahead the Koreans are in skill level.
Can't really judge without teams playing each other.
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It's so hard to compare c9 to Koreans they are completely untested.
I'm mean they've started out games behind vs. Velocity, leads that don't get thrown away on OGN, my inclination is to say they could maybe do ok in a group stage at OGN, but the 3 who will be sent to worlds, not really.
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On August 12 2013 00:25 HazMat wrote:WCS spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Scarlett and Grubby have made it pretty far in WCS (albeit AM and EU WCS, which isn't as strong as the OSL), makes me wonder if C9 can put a threat to Korea at all. I haven't watched League much lately so can someone who's watched both LCS and OGN tell me if C9 has a chance vs the top Korean teams? I mean I know C9 is all the rage right now, but the OGN finals a month back just blew me away with how far ahead the Koreans are in skill level.
Hard to judge without them playing against Koreans but my guess would be they lose to the top Koreans without much effort, Mid tier Koreans they probably have a decent chance but not the top.
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It depends on who gets to Worlds from Korea. C9 has a shot to get a win against Najin Black Sword imo, but would be the clear underdogs against the actual top 5 of Korea. Sword has a chance to go to Worlds due to their points from the Winter season.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On August 12 2013 00:25 HazMat wrote:WCS spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Scarlett and Grubby have made it pretty far in WCS (albeit AM and EU WCS, which isn't as strong as the OSL), makes me wonder if C9 can put a threat to Korea at all. I haven't watched League much lately so can someone who's watched both LCS and OGN tell me if C9 has a chance vs the top Korean teams? I mean I know C9 is all the rage right now, but the OGN finals a month back just blew me away with how far ahead the Koreans are in skill level.
It's a question we're all wondering but we can't really say. TSM has been the best NA team for a while, but never stood up to Korean teams. Curse took a game off of Blaze. But still. I think C9 would compete with mid tier Korean teams ezpz. Top teams? That's what worlds will tell us because no one really knows.
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On August 12 2013 00:32 Slusher wrote:
It's so hard to compare c9 to Koreans they are completely untested.
I'm mean they've started out games behind vs. Velocity, leads that don't get thrown away on OGN, my inclination is to say they could maybe do ok in a group stage at OGN, but the 3 who will be sent to worlds, not really.
+ Show Spoiler +Bullets Vs. Blaze, game 3.
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On August 12 2013 00:25 HazMat wrote:WCS spoilers: + Show Spoiler +Scarlett and Grubby have made it pretty far in WCS (albeit AM and EU WCS, which isn't as strong as the OSL), makes me wonder if C9 can put a threat to Korea at all. I haven't watched League much lately so can someone who's watched both LCS and OGN tell me if C9 has a chance vs the top Korean teams? I mean I know C9 is all the rage right now, but the OGN finals a month back just blew me away with how far ahead the Koreans are in skill level.
Had the same hopes after [TI Spoiler] + Show Spoiler +Navi and Alliance made it to the upper bracket final and No China in top4
Depending on where patch 3.10 is going to take us metagame wise, C9 might not be able to hide their rather ( in my opinion) weak laning abilities for mid and Duo Lane by laneswapping (Balls is beast) and might not be able to compensate it with their amazing teamwork because Korean teams are at least if not even better than them in that regard.
I just don't see them winning a series vs Frost, Ozone or Skt1 at the moment, not only do they not have xp on the international stage but also in a longer bo3/5 series.
I guess I'm not the only one to be happy of they managed to surprise us though.
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On August 12 2013 00:40 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 00:32 Slusher wrote:
It's so hard to compare c9 to Koreans they are completely untested.
I'm mean they've started out games behind vs. Velocity, leads that don't get thrown away on OGN, my inclination is to say they could maybe do ok in a group stage at OGN, but the 3 who will be sent to worlds, not really. + Show Spoiler +Bullets Vs. Blaze, game 3.
Jin Air vs CTU from week 1 also comes to mind but for the most part you get what I mean.
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But from what I've seen coming out of the OGN league teams, the one thing that their players seem very average on is the ADC. Not a single adc from Korea has impressed me, while more of the ADCs in NA tend to make more plays. Korea's big thing right now (from what I can tell) are the hook champs and the beginnings of building team comps for team fights, so a lot of wombo combo type things.
Assuming we sent C9 up against the teams in Korea, I would think C9 could beat most of them in a best of 3 scenario on the back of Meteos and Sneaky. Hai and LemonNation are good players in their own right, but vs. their respective opponents in OGN, Lemon's not good with the hooks, and Hai would probably lose his lane early on due to a 3v1 in top lane by minute 6 (because that's what every single team in Korea does right now). As for Balls, the mid laners in OGN are probably just a step above him.
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I'm just thinking that C9 is a good team. Then I just think of how good the Koreans are.
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are you fucking kidding me?
Imp?Riris?Space?Score? not impressive
Piglet? not a playmaker
please.
and actually 3v1 has become significantly less popular in korea, only 1 game from each semi final set so far has featured not had 1v1 top laner vs top laner.
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Na ad-s are pretty bad.I don't understand why people decided the opposite.The only difference is they have double/turtle who are pretty good when from eu only creaton/tabbz play well sometimes.Maple has his moments but he is very incosistent.
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On August 11 2013 23:00 Seuss wrote:
Regarding the Master Yi math, here's some food for thought.
Crit Damage does affect Alpha Strike, increasing the 60% additional damage to 96% if you have IE + Lethality. That doesn't sound all that impressive until you realize that with just an IE, an Alpha Strike crit can top 650 damage. Add into consideration his huge Attack Speed steroid and extra AD scaling, and the potential of crit should become immediately apparent.
I've been observing a number of you playing Yi on your streams, and almost universally IE first has been the deadliest build. Part of that is selection bias as most of you only rush it when doing well, but compared to other items rushed in such circumstances it far and away has proved the strongest at carrying games.
Well, you saw that game where I went IE Shiv, and I basically wrecked face. However, the build up time for IE makes it really awkward unless you have a large advantage early on. You can't do a whole lot early/mid game other than try to farm (which can be hard in some matchups) until you "catch up" by finishing it. Also, no lifesteal seems pretty minor, but in truth it really hurts your dueling.
I dunno, I'll try it some more tonight, but it seems pretty rough unless you're already ahead.
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United States23745 Posts
On August 12 2013 01:03 nafta wrote:
Na ad-s are pretty bad.I don't understand why people decided the opposite.The only difference is they have double/turtle who are pretty good when from eu only creaton/tabbz play well sometimes.Maple has his moments but he is very incosistent.
Freeze is pretty good too. I feel like people thinking NA ADCs are the best is just a relic from when Doublelift was at his peak in Season 2.
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On August 12 2013 01:04 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 23:00 Seuss wrote:
Regarding the Master Yi math, here's some food for thought.
Crit Damage does affect Alpha Strike, increasing the 60% additional damage to 96% if you have IE + Lethality. That doesn't sound all that impressive until you realize that with just an IE, an Alpha Strike crit can top 650 damage. Add into consideration his huge Attack Speed steroid and extra AD scaling, and the potential of crit should become immediately apparent.
I've been observing a number of you playing Yi on your streams, and almost universally IE first has been the deadliest build. Part of that is selection bias as most of you only rush it when doing well, but compared to other items rushed in such circumstances it far and away has proved the strongest at carrying games. Well, you saw that game where I went IE Shiv, and I basically wrecked face. However, the build up time for IE makes it really awkward unless you have a large advantage early on. You can't do a whole lot early/mid game other than try to farm (which can be hard in some matchups) until you "catch up" by finishing it. Also, no lifesteal seems pretty minor, but in truth it really hurts your dueling. I dunno, I'll try it some more tonight, but it seems pretty rough unless you're already ahead.
just run 2x lifesteal quints, I straight up run my adc runes on him.
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also Thresh is most likely perma banned now until someone finds a way to break a champion, with Jayce and TF falling out of must ban status Thresh never makes it thru anymore.
so saying the Korean meta revolves around hooks, when a situational Blitz pick is all you will ever see is also false. It mabye seemed that way before the last patch because thresh would get through, but thats just because Thresh is so versitle even if he hits 0 hooks in a game.
then again you don't even balls and hai's positions right so I'm likely just being trolled. I'm too easy.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Guys, I know this is going a bit off topic, but what happened to the off-topic thread that was going to be made by Neo or something?
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under discussion alternatives being considered. we should just make one in the meantime and he can close it when it's time.
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United States15536 Posts
On August 12 2013 01:14 Scip wrote:
Guys, I know this is going a bit off topic, but what happened to the off-topic thread that was going to be made by Neo or something?
He hasn't made it yet. It's still being discussed and such by the staff. We'll figure it out soon.
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On August 12 2013 00:58 Slusher wrote:
are you fucking kidding me?
Imp?Riris?Space?Score? not impressive
Piglet? not a playmaker
please.
and actually 3v1 has become significantly less popular in korea, only 1 game from each semi final set so far has featured not had 1v1 top laner vs top laner.
Korean ads are outshined by their support counterparts, and Piglet was awful last season, Riris isn't too impressive off Ezreal, the only two that are seriously exceptional are Imp and Pray (we'll ignore the Praven)
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