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caelym
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On July 09 2013 11:57 NeoIllusions wrote: From a management standpoint, it's the best out of all the teams. Least expensive real estate and Riot covers all transportation. I can't imagine how much Curse saves compared to other teams. Dyrus said Curse's monthly rent was basically TSM's utilities bill. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
edit: just stop trying to pass things off as fact. there are tons of lurkers here who see high post counts or icons and assume that what you're saying is correct, when you are really just postulating. you're helping people form opinions on people who have their name at stake (mega, marn, etc) or teams that have an image to uphold, without actually doing your research | ||
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caelym
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cLutZ
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upperbound
United States2300 Posts
On July 09 2013 11:34 Fionn wrote: I'm 21 and just recently applied to Riot. If I get hired and have to move to Santa Monica, I am going to find the shittiest, smallest studio apartment I can find. Renting a beach house without any sponsors and living on Riot's money is fucking ridiculous. It's a much different situation, though. You're relocating for good and with some job security long term. They were moving, making lots of short term money with basically no job security, knowing that if things failed they probably could not afford to live on their own no matter what and would go back to where they came from, even if they stayed together as a team. Sure, they could have gotten a 3 or 4 bedroom, bunked together, lived in the middle of nowhere, and saved $10000 for themselves, but as a college student that would get penalized for savings by getting less federal student aid, saving money while in college is a crap decision. I'm standing by my assertion that it is financially justifiable as well as fun. I know what it's like to pay for my own college, be broke in the real world, and then be broke in grad school. I am in debt and it sucks. I would stikl recommend to MRN to do what they did. I would also recommend that you not do what they did in your situation -- although good luck finding a studio in Santa Monica for aubstantially less than 800 a month, by the way. Roommates might be the way to go. Edit: also, I'd venture a guess that none of them pay for health insurance, phone bills, much if any transportation, or other realistic adult costs. @gtr so as not to invoke his wrath, I hope my tone in all of this is sufficiently abstract and speculative so as not to be sounding authoritative in any way. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:06 UniversalSnip wrote: enlighten us guitar sure, i'll do the best i can within my limits i believe it would be inappropriate of me to go into numbers on RIOT's side, but i can tell you that literally everything i've seen posted on reddit and TL so far have been mildly-to-insanely inaccurate. but saying something like this for example On July 09 2013 11:57 NeoIllusions wrote: From a management standpoint, it's the best out of all the teams. Least expensive real estate and Riot covers all transportation. I can't imagine how much Curse saves compared to other teams. what exactly makes living in vegas the best? curse has to fly out to SM every week to play. so let's take week 4 for example. i had scheduled scrims with curse for wednesday night. on wednesday afternoon, saint PM'd me that they had to cancel cause their flight was earlier than expected. so they lost a wednesday night scrim (4 hours of scrims). you can't play league on hotel internet, so they lost thursday morning scrim time. in a normal 2-3 day week, they'd be staying at the hotel overnight at least once, so that's another night and another morning of scrim time you lose. then the flight back is another afternoon or night or morning lost in scrim time. in a typical week, they're losing 2-3+ days of quality scrims. don't you think that hurts? "least expensive real estate"? do you know what curse is paying to live in their house? cause i don't. i've been there. it's really nice. sure, las vegas might be cheaper sq ft for sq ft, but curse definitely has a great place. a quick craiglist search shows that they could be paying 2400-3000/month in rent for a house that size with as many rooms as i believe it has. maybe more, i don't know if the location they were in was considered high real estate value. it was a nice neighborhood though. just assuming that because vegas is cheaper than LA that they are saving money is only an assumption. i hope that clears things up a bit. people are basically going off of what they've heard off-hand, or going off things that are "widely known" that aren't accurate... when a simple google search would help make your statements so much more accurate. if you're gonna throw out opinions at least make sure you're showing that it's your opinion. On July 09 2013 12:23 upperbound wrote: @gtr so as not to invoke his wrath, I hope my tone in all of this is sufficiently abstract and speculative so as not to be sounding authoritative in any way. heh, :ohyou: i know i'm being a bit of a stodgy old man right now but i feel like TL is, as a whole, pretty high quality content. if i just jumped into a champ guide thread and started saying how great guinsoo's was on tristana and asserting myself cause i heard a pro say it... i would get a warning and get told to let people that actually play tristana make the assertions. just bugs me that all this misinformation gets spread :imsorry: | ||
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:23 upperbound wrote: It's a much different situation, though. You're relocating for good and with some job security long term. They were moving, making lots of short term money with basically no job security, knowing that if things failed they probably could not afford to live on their own no matter what and would go back to where they came from, even if they stayed together as a team. Sure, they could have gotten a 3 or 4 bedroom, bunked together, lived in the middle of nowhere, and saved $10000 for themselves, but as a college student that would get penalized for savings by getting less federal student aid, saving money while in college is a crap decision. I'm standing by my assertion that it is financially justifiable as well as fun. I know what it's like to pay for my own college, be broke in the real world, and then be broke in grad school. I am in debt and it sucks. I would stikl recommend to MRN to do what they did. I would also recommend that you not do what they did in your situation -- although good luck finding a studio in Santa Monica for aubstantially less than 800 a month, by the way. Roommates might be the way to go. $800/month is not bad for a studio, am I wrong? Studios in good neighborhoods of Baltimore and Boston are like $1000-1200. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:07 caelym wrote: Steve told me Riot covers Curse's travel. I'm posting directly what I heard from players. "Steve" could be anyone. Going to need an official interview transcript, and I would prefer some sort of timestamped video. You don't even know, caelym. | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:25 caelym wrote: $800/month is not bad for a studio, am I wrong? Studios in good neighborhoods of Baltimore and Boston are like $1000-1200. When you say studio you mean like an efficiency apartment minus most of the kitchen amenities right? | ||
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:24 gtrsrs wrote: "least expensive real estate"? do you know what curse is paying to live in their house? cause i don't. i've been there. it's really nice. sure, las vegas might be cheaper sq ft for sq ft, but curse definitely has a great place. even steve didn't know how many sq ft it was when i asked. taking a guess based on the bit of the house i explored (steve let my girlfriend and i stay in their spare guest bedroom, which leads me to believe that everyone has their own room, because why would people share rooms if there's an open guest room? but i didn't verify that), that house has 8+ bedrooms. and i counted at least 3 bathrooms, it probably has 4. a quick craiglist search shows that they're paying 2400-3000/month in rent for a house that size. maybe more, i don't know if the location they were in was considered high real estate value. it was a nice neighborhood though. and sure, for an 8-bedroom house that's an amazing deal. but it's more than we're paying for our house. so curse isn't saving money in comparison to us there... I think you're overestimating the "niceness" of Curse's house. I can't remember the exact figure, but I'm pretty sure it was below 2k/month. I think 6 bed/3 baths is a more accurate estimate. Saint and Voy share a room. I'm sure others share a room as well but I don't know the exact arrangement. Curse is definitely saving money in terms of real estate. But you bring up good points about travel cutting into scrim time. On July 09 2013 12:31 Hyren wrote: When you say studio you mean like an efficiency apartment minus most of the kitchen amenities right? big open living space + small kitchen + bathroom | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Dignitas' house looked pretty reserved imo. Just a big apartment, it's not bad but nothing too fancy especially considering they have like 10 people living there. Crumbz sleeps in a closet. I watched the Root gaming house and they've got some big ass mansion with a pool and what not, IDK doesn't seem smart to me. and Lmao @ Marn 10 year old finding blank cheque analogy. I remember questioning how wise it was of them to buy a gaming house when they first did it, seemed like they were jumping into things way to fast. Besides, I think gaming houses are probably over rated. GGU didn't have one last season and they placed 2nd and Dignitas didn't have one for a long ass time. I think it's fine for the well established teams to get one but yea, what happened to Marn is a good example of how poorly it can turn out. BUT THEN AGAIN, yolo might as well live the dream for a while. But just get your damned security deposit back. Stinky nerds. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On July 09 2013 12:33 caelym wrote: I think you're overestimating the "niceness" of Curse's house. I can't remember the exact figure, but I'm pretty sure it was below 2k/month. I think 6 bed/3 baths is a more accurate estimate. Saint and Voy share a room. I'm sure others share a room as well but I don't know the exact arrangement. Curse is definitely saving money in terms of real estate. But you bring up good points about travel cutting into scrim time. definitely possible. like i said i only explored part of the house. in my eyes it was a really nice house. i only actually counted 4 bedrooms so i just made an assumption about the rest of the house. and yeah, i'd believe their rent was less than 2k/month in that case. still, i'm not 100% sold that it means they're saving money comparatively. On July 09 2013 12:36 Chrispy wrote: But just get your damned security deposit back. Stinky nerds. this is something i can definitely agree on. even a few minutes a day of dusting/vacuuming/moping/sweeping can make a huge difference and basically takes no effort whatsoever if you split the chores up. but i know when i was college-age that was a task too big for me too  | ||
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Flakes
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upperbound
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On July 09 2013 12:25 caelym wrote: $800/month is not bad for a studio, am I wrong? Studios in good neighborhoods of Baltimore and Boston are like $1000-1200. Yes, $800 a month for a studio is about as good as you can find in any major market on either coast. You can live for significantly cheaper in flyover territory, even in fairly major cities. There are definite economies of scale in housing. On July 09 2013 12:28 Fionn wrote: Yeah, I've looked at some apartments near Santa Monica, and you can find a few for $800 to $900, but really bare bones. I don't mind if a team splurges and doesn't want to go full Korea style on their state of living, but renting a beach house is still incredibly stupid. I don't think the financial difference is as big as you think it is in their situation, though. If they were done with school and starting a permanent life, that's one thing. But I think multiple members, if not most/all of MRN was in the middle of some kind of school, so savings don't mean a hell of a lot. FAFSA/other, smaller aid applications all ask for student's savings, and they basically just straight deduct that from your student aid. Besides that, they weren't paying all that much more, if any more at all, than 7 people renting separate crappy studios. Now, it's unfeasible for most people to live with 6 other strangers, because it's extremely risky to be liable for other people's rent, trust other people not to steal your stuff, etc., but for a team gaming house it kind of makes sense. If you want to make the comparison that they also could have had a house for 7 people for half as much, sure, but savings doesn't mean that much as I stated above. They could have done something like the Koreans do like get a cheaper apartment and then pay someone to cook all of their food, I guess, but for students-on-hold I really don't think they should be getting skewered for these financial decisions. | ||
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