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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 04 2013 02:34 GMT
#21
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 04 2013 02:35 GMT
#22
On April 04 2013 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x

Not quite to sure, maybe just one of those things that you have to be in game to notice?
liftlift > tsm
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
April 04 2013 02:54 GMT
#23
On April 04 2013 11:35 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x

Not quite to sure, maybe just one of those things that you have to be in game to notice?

Dyrus threw harder because it was up to him to carry the team and win the game at that point.

Throwing != playing bad (can't throw what you aren't winning).
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 04 2013 03:55 GMT
#24
So as a joke, our staff thought it would be funny to hide a prize (Riot Graves code) in this week's write-up, just to see how long it would take for people to notice. We had four lurkers with brand new accounts PM me and one subforum regular. Was an interesting experiment and I'll probably do it again before this LCS season ends.

Grats to the winners and hopefully none of you tried to cheat the system by getting more than one.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
April 04 2013 05:12 GMT
#25
That's interesting that they had the time to create new account and get code heh ^^
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 04 2013 06:53 GMT
#26
On April 04 2013 11:54 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x

Not quite to sure, maybe just one of those things that you have to be in game to notice?

Dyrus threw harder because it was up to him to carry the team and win the game at that point.

Throwing != playing bad (can't throw what you aren't winning).

When I was watching the game, I felt like there were several moments where Dyrus held on to his ultimate a little too long and may have negatively impacted the fight. It was probably cause he was waiting for those clutch Diana->Sona lockdowns that never came.

Still, I feel like the two biggest turning points were the baron steal by Dig (how does that even happen -.- and when Turtle completely whiffed his ult. I went all wtf at my screen out loud when Turtle whiffed that ult. It was so bad :[
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 04 2013 07:30 GMT
#27
On April 04 2013 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x


He picked Rumble, a champion that automatically "throws" games after lvl 11
Freeeeeeedom
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 04 2013 07:54 GMT
#28
Anyone making these writeups for EU LCS?
KCCO!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 04 2013 08:03 GMT
#29
On April 04 2013 16:54 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Anyone making these writeups for EU LCS?


wat?
can't tell if srs.......
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 09:52:09
April 04 2013 09:33 GMT
#30
That's interesting. Didn't WildTurtle throw the Dig game by never being with the team? I'm glad at least Dyrus has the balls to call out Reginald.

Great week of games though. For some reason I had a lot of fun watching them.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
April 04 2013 10:29 GMT
#31
On April 04 2013 18:33 RagequitBM wrote:
That's interesting. Didn't WildTurtle throw the Dig game by never being with the team? I'm glad at least Dyrus has the balls to call out Reginald.

Great week of games though. For some reason I had a lot of fun watching them.


Theres 2 ways to look at it when Reginald engaged without Wildturtle

- Reginald engaged too soon
- Wildturtle got there too late

Applying reason and logic on those 2 ways, Reginald was the person in the wrong there. He could choose not to engage (and he could have engaged alot better, with Q R instead of just R), Wildturtle could not choose to run any faster then he already was. He just came from base and was headed towards the fights.
KCCO!
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 04 2013 11:44 GMT
#32
Awesome write up! I wasn't able to follow the LR thread for last week or this week so these are super awesome!
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 04 2013 12:38 GMT
#33
On April 04 2013 20:44 JonGalt wrote:
Awesome write up! I wasn't able to follow the LR thread for last week or this week so these are super awesome!


You're welcome. Your team is doing damn well recently. Just not as well as Curse. =P
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Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 14:03:33
April 04 2013 13:53 GMT
#34
On April 04 2013 15:53 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 11:54 xes wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 04 2013 11:32 wei2coolman wrote:
In latest gamecribz episode; wildturtle thought Dyrus threw the TSM vs Dig game harder than Regi. Interesting take.


Getting on Regi's good side already, I see.
Not sure where Dyrus played worse than Regi tbh. Someone point it out to me. x_x

Not quite to sure, maybe just one of those things that you have to be in game to notice?

Dyrus threw harder because it was up to him to carry the team and win the game at that point.

Throwing != playing bad (can't throw what you aren't winning).

When I was watching the game, I felt like there were several moments where Dyrus held on to his ultimate a little too long and may have negatively impacted the fight. It was probably cause he was waiting for those clutch Diana->Sona lockdowns that never came.

Still, I feel like the two biggest turning points were the baron steal by Dig (how does that even happen -.- and when Turtle completely whiffed his ult. I went all wtf at my screen out loud when Turtle whiffed that ult. It was so bad :[


IIRC Oddone was 2 levels below Nasus when the baron steal happened, he never used smite because Nasus smite just did more, and he didn't want to smite early because Gragas barrels were coming in over the wall.

Edit: Yeah it was level 12vs14. Still a good play getting nasus into position, and Voli could have tried bite/smite.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-04 17:35:20
April 04 2013 16:49 GMT
#35
On April 04 2013 19:29 ihasaKAROT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 18:33 RagequitBM wrote:
That's interesting. Didn't WildTurtle throw the Dig game by never being with the team? I'm glad at least Dyrus has the balls to call out Reginald.

Great week of games though. For some reason I had a lot of fun watching them.


Theres 2 ways to look at it when Reginald engaged without Wildturtle

- Reginald engaged too soon
- Wildturtle got there too late

Applying reason and logic on those 2 ways, Reginald was the person in the wrong there. He could choose not to engage (and he could have engaged alot better, with Q R instead of just R), Wildturtle could not choose to run any faster then he already was. He just came from base and was headed towards the fights.

No, he didn't come from base.
Look at the first time Reginald engaged with Wildturtle too far behind. (After baron buff wore off dig, before dig took 4 for 1 in a teamfight)

Now rewind about 30 seconds, when TSM is clearing wards from the baron area. Dignitas moves up, TSM falls back. Except WildTurtle, who splits off to walk past his blue buff. Then, TSM is in the wolf area while Dignitas is all in mid lane. WildTurtle is at the blue buff bush, and opts to take the south path towards his base, rather than reunite with Sona and Rumble (the back line of his team) at wolves, with Volibear and Diana in the wall, Diana throwing poke skills across the wall.

The fuck man. He made not one but TWO choices to wander away from his teammates.

Note that they've oracle swept this area, and they know where Dignitas is because first they saw them on wards, then Regi's moonlight reveals 3 of them in mid lane quite some time before they engaged.

Also note that Dignitas would be massively disadvantaged if they chose to turn into the jungle and engage TSM. They were still behind gold, and TSM's team is very scary when fighting in enclosed spaces due to Rumble, Sona, and Varus ultimates, as well as Varus slow.
[/spoiler]

Now Dignitas is backing off because Volibear, Sona, and Rumble have moved out from the wolf area into the middle of the lane and are marching towards them. Dignitas doesn't know exactly where Diana is. Then Diana jumps, trying to get onto Scarra for another pull-equalizer combo. (At this point, they've been shutting down qtpie's farm all game while Scarra is 6-1.) Meanwhile, Kiwikid slices in to stun Rumble (this is still before Explosive Cask) before Dicing back towards his own team.

If Kiwi was getting attacked by a very fed Varus while doing that, he would have been killed, if not immediately, then later on when OddOne gets him extremely low while chasing him out of the fight (oddone wouldn't have even needed to chase him that far) Note that Dignitas is all extremely low at the end of the fight - if damage had been there sooner, people would have died sooner, and Varus would have been fighting with +60% attack speed throughout the whole fight.

If Varus positioning here was closer to Rumble and Sona, he could have also been throwing his ultimate out earlier to overlap with Rumble's, or otherwise chunking down the front line of Dignitas, who were all pretty far forward.

For some reason, WildTurtle opts to take the long way around when the rest of his own team is at the wolves/brush area. probably looking for a chance to engage. Why did wildturtle go back down the long way? I don't know, I wasn't on their voicechat. But it looks to me that he chose a route that had really bad results for his team, because the REST of his team came out from the wolf exit to the jungle and started fighting but he had walked all the way around. If he's got ALL OF HIS TEAM with him, why is he taking this route? It doesn't make sense to take that route unless you're really scared of teamfighting. And you shouldn't be making a decision like that on your own, you have to follow the team call. Having your carry be too scared to teamfight when the rest of the team is ABOUT TO START A TEAMFIGHT is very bad.
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