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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 08:35:54
November 19 2012 08:35 GMT
#2381
If you fancy yourself as well versed on the LoL EU scene, please PM me. :3
I could use a sounding board to bounce ideas off of.
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Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
November 19 2012 08:38 GMT
#2382
Anyone use Syndra a lot? Any thoughts or advice?
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 19 2012 09:13 GMT
#2383
Voyboy is playing the dog + Show Spoiler +
aka Nasus
while having a dog on his lap.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 19 2012 09:18 GMT
#2384
On November 19 2012 17:38 Vei wrote:
Anyone use Syndra a lot? Any thoughts or advice?


I probably played her maybe 30~40 games since her release. Her laning phase is very strong against non-gapclosing, non-sustain champions, but her teamfight is awkward because her R's range is fairly low and it's difficult for her to hit her R on a high priority target because she does not have any gapclosers herself.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 19 2012 09:21 GMT
#2385
On November 19 2012 16:50 armed_ wrote:
Karthus hardcounters Soraka, just ult whenever she ults and her ult doesn't do anything gg


Except Soraka's R is instant-cast. Karthus has to channel 3 seconds.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4767 Posts
November 19 2012 09:40 GMT
#2386
On November 19 2012 16:50 armed_ wrote:
Karthus hardcounters Soraka, just ult whenever she ults and her ult doesn't do anything gg


Thats a joke right? Isnt it the other way around?
Pathetic Greta hater.
Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
November 19 2012 09:44 GMT
#2387
On November 19 2012 18:21 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 16:50 armed_ wrote:
Karthus hardcounters Soraka, just ult whenever she ults and her ult doesn't do anything gg


Except Soraka's R is instant-cast. Karthus has to channel 3 seconds.


Well thats a low elo opinion. Good players will predict a soraka ult coming, and ult 3 seconds before she does...
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
November 19 2012 09:49 GMT
#2388
Because Soraka is not going to notice the orbital laser beam pointing at her head.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11894 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 10:03:56
November 19 2012 10:03 GMT
#2389
But that's the beauty of it, if she doesn't ult to counter your ult, your ult kills her team. Thus, you force her to play directly into your hands.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 19 2012 10:11 GMT
#2390
would it be smart to max E as toplane lee sin against irelia and Jax or is maxing W/Q still better?
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
November 19 2012 10:14 GMT
#2391
I hope the Karthus vs Soraka discussion is a joke. Soraka counters Karthus and not the other way around. The problem is not teamfighting when facing Soraka as Karthus, because there both ults just cancel each other more or less.

The real problem is laning. As Karthus you will usually pick up a couple of kills from the other lanes after close fights. A good Soraka can counter this completely.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 10:21:03
November 19 2012 10:19 GMT
#2392
Karthus hits 16 by the time Soraka hits 11-13, and will build stuff like RoA, DC and Void. Soraka might get a Kage's, but that's about it. She 'counters' him in a sense that you might miss a kill on people who barely got away from a fight if Soraka was ballsy enough not to use it for said fight in the first place. But there just comes a point (usually 20-25 minutes into the game) where Karthus shruggs off her heal and proceeds to fuck up some dawgs. All that aside - Karthus' ult, albeit very strong, isn't what MAKES his kit. I'd argue his passive does that. If that was true, well, I guess Soraka counters you after all - id she's on your team and just won't let you die, even though you've been oom for half the fight.

With the new items and the grail nerf, will chalice be redundant and will tear have a place on more champions now?


On November 19 2012 19:11 As sensation wrote:
would it be smart to max E as toplane lee sin against irelia and Jax or is maxing W/Q still better?

You are supposed to max E in both matchups, though a mix of W and E does work.
currently rooting for myself.
vertigo1
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland174 Posts
November 19 2012 10:29 GMT
#2393
so with the jungle being worth less gold in the coming season, is there any reason at all for maokai to clear camps, or just sit on lane all day still
trolling is a art
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 19 2012 10:45 GMT
#2394
On November 19 2012 19:29 vertigo1 wrote:
so with the jungle being worth less gold in the coming season, is there any reason at all for maokai to clear camps, or just sit on lane all day still

Stuff like that needs to be figured out, pretty sure you can't make accurate statements yet.
currently rooting for myself.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
November 19 2012 10:52 GMT
#2395
On November 19 2012 19:19 Shiv. wrote:
Karthus hits 16 by the time Soraka hits 11-13, and will build stuff like RoA, DC and Void. Soraka might get a Kage's, but that's about it. She 'counters' him in a sense that you might miss a kill on people who barely got away from a fight if Soraka was ballsy enough not to use it for said fight in the first place. But there just comes a point (usually 20-25 minutes into the game) where Karthus shruggs off her heal and proceeds to fuck up some dawgs. All that aside - Karthus' ult, albeit very strong, isn't what MAKES his kit. I'd argue his passive does that. If that was true, well, I guess Soraka counters you after all - id she's on your team and just won't let you die, even though you've been oom for half the fight.


I think you're totally missing the point. I'm talking about laning, not late-game teamfighting. By the time you hit lvl.16 laning will be mostly over. She doesn't really interfere with your late-game. She interfers with your ability to rack up kills during laning before lvl.16. If you win your lane, that doesn't really matter. But the "beauty" of Karthus is, that you can be forced to farm under tower and still have global map presence. Soraka takes that away from you.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
November 19 2012 11:15 GMT
#2396
On November 19 2012 19:29 vertigo1 wrote:
so with the jungle being worth less gold in the coming season, is there any reason at all for maokai to clear camps, or just sit on lane all day still


Didn't Riot respond to a post someone here made about the jungle and say that they'd be looking into it?
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 11:30:23
November 19 2012 11:29 GMT
#2397
On November 19 2012 19:52 BlueSpace wrote:


I think you're totally missing the point. I'm talking about laning, not late-game teamfighting. By the time you hit lvl.16 laning will be mostly over. She doesn't really interfere with your late-game. She interfers with your ability to rack up kills during laning before lvl.16. If you win your lane, that doesn't really matter. But the "beauty" of Karthus is, that you can be forced to farm under tower and still have global map presence. Soraka takes that away from you.

On November 19 2012 19:19 Shiv. wrote:
She 'counters' him in a sense that you might miss a kill on people who barely got away from a fight if Soraka was ballsy enough not to use it for said fight in the first place.

A typical soloQ situation for Karthus to use his R in would be, say, after your jungler dove top and the opponent got away with a sliver of health. Realistically, not using Soraka ult when someone on your team gets dove is just horrible idea, which makes Karthus' ult really effective. Besides, it's not that hard to time Soraka ult and use yours when hers is on CD. I do agree that Soraka makes it HARDER for Karthus to rack up kills and become that unstoppably force late game, but she does not make it impossible. Conveniently, Karthus is one of the best farmers in the game, so if the Karth player has a clue, he'll likely still have decent items come late game.
currently rooting for myself.
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 11:31:22
November 19 2012 11:29 GMT
#2398
On November 19 2012 16:50 armed_ wrote:
Karthus hardcounters Soraka, just ult whenever she ults and her ult doesn't do anything gg


On November 19 2012 18:44 Gaslo wrote:
Well thats a low elo opinion. Good players will predict a soraka ult coming, and ult 3 seconds before she does...


This and the ensuing discussion is the best laugh I've had out of GD in a long time.

WP GG.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 19 2012 11:31 GMT
#2399
On November 19 2012 20:29 Cuddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2012 16:50 armed_ wrote:
Karthus hardcounters Soraka, just ult whenever she ults and her ult doesn't do anything gg


This and the ensuing discussion is the best laugh I've had out of GD in a long time.

WP GG.

You should have been around when Cloud was lecturing us about Shen not being broken after his remake. ggnore
currently rooting for myself.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14146 Posts
November 19 2012 13:09 GMT
#2400
did the tl.lol "press team" ever get around to asking those questions you had a thread for before? I don't remember seeing anything out of a press conference that riot said that they were going to do.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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