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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 08 2012 03:38 GMT
#4881
On November 08 2012 11:44 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 11:42 Live2Win wrote:
On November 08 2012 11:29 EquilasH wrote:
On November 08 2012 11:28 TheYango wrote:
On November 08 2012 11:15 Zdrastochye wrote:
On November 08 2012 11:11 MooMooMugi wrote:
They are lowering the stats of GA? Wtf Riot why


Not lowering, removing.

Next patch: GA gives no stats and is no longer buyable, but revives you with full health and mana. Dropped by Baron and disappears when you are revived or Baron respawns.


And now try to spell "Nashor" backwards...

wait wait wait, my mind is blown. Was this intentional?!

Well, seeing as Roshan was originally named by Guinsoo after his bowling ball, probably yes.


... what was his bowling ball named after?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
November 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#4882
lol Throws upon throws upon throws
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
November 08 2012 03:39 GMT
#4883
league of draven
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
November 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#4884
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Open for hilarious score screen
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#4885
ZUNAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The best player that never plays this video game.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 08 2012 03:40 GMT
#4886
Wow Jacky cannot stop getting caught over and over and over.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 08 2012 03:41 GMT
#4887
nyjacky best throws lololol
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 08 2012 03:41 GMT
#4888
Well Zuna solidifies his spot on Fear for sure with that finish. Voy with the final throw of the game.
Hey! How you doin'?
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
November 08 2012 03:42 GMT
#4889
in b4 westrice becomes main member, voyboy becomes sub lololololol
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 08 2012 03:43 GMT
#4890
Should be an entertaining finals, would love to see Fear beat CLG. Plus new casters victory!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 08 2012 03:44 GMT
#4891
On November 08 2012 12:42 Shivaz wrote:
in b4 westrice becomes main member, voyboy becomes sub lololololol


If anything, those games were Aphromoo exerting his dominance over CRS Bot.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 08 2012 03:45 GMT
#4892
Alright, Fear may have lost the scrim earlier, but let's see how they play when it matters.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 08 2012 04:02 GMT
#4893
i think riot's making the wrong decisions regarding the %arpen/flat arpen changes and especially in regards to arpen applying to all physical damage skill on BC

seems like a recipe for disaster

but they want to bring about change, and this will do it. i am excited to see the changes and what will become viable

lo, how torn i am!
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 04:04:46
November 08 2012 04:03 GMT
#4894

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 07:41 danana wrote:
This is a good idea for a guide! I know I would have benefited a lot from this as a starting player. A few things to possibly include:
- waiting for a 4th pot w/ boots opening in top lane
- using the starting gold mastery (iirc the pink ward opening needs 1 point, so if it does you should mention that, but i'm not very sure)
- alternate support openings (i often go for 4 wards in passive lanes against aggressive brush control supports like alistar)
- more generally, thinking about what stats your champion scales with. i think reading navi's riven guide made my overall item choices better even on other champs because i started thinking more about what stats synergize the best with the champion's kit (i.e. favoring resists over health on champions with shields or heals, favoring AD and crit on champions with AS steroids)


Yeah, thats kind of getting into other areas of knowledge...I just want to keep this a brief item summary.

Basically I just hope I can prevent nubs from ending up building this:

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]

and wondering why they suck so bad




The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate.

you can still compare them to each other!

I was just looking randomly, but in ~10 minutes the most "lose" item appears to be:
bonetooth necklace (huehuehue)

followed by:
thornmail
haunting guise
mana manipulator
banshee's veil
boots of swiftness
ionic spark
manamune

(I didn't look at Dominion-only items)


After that last game with Fear, I went looking for some old posts on some really bad items.

Well... now that people actually build sunfire cape and haunting guise in every tournament, these posts about items in the last 4 months must have been invalidated by some patches buffing those two items right?

D:< Hate people who tell me what to build. Hate that I can't play adc in top lane without getting called a troll unless a pro does it first.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 04:18:25
November 08 2012 04:16 GMT
#4895
On November 08 2012 13:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +

On April 11 2012 07:41 danana wrote:
This is a good idea for a guide! I know I would have benefited a lot from this as a starting player. A few things to possibly include:
- waiting for a 4th pot w/ boots opening in top lane
- using the starting gold mastery (iirc the pink ward opening needs 1 point, so if it does you should mention that, but i'm not very sure)
- alternate support openings (i often go for 4 wards in passive lanes against aggressive brush control supports like alistar)
- more generally, thinking about what stats your champion scales with. i think reading navi's riven guide made my overall item choices better even on other champs because i started thinking more about what stats synergize the best with the champion's kit (i.e. favoring resists over health on champions with shields or heals, favoring AD and crit on champions with AS steroids)


Yeah, thats kind of getting into other areas of knowledge...I just want to keep this a brief item summary.

Basically I just hope I can prevent nubs from ending up building this:

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]

and wondering why they suck so bad



Show nested quote +

The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate.

you can still compare them to each other!

I was just looking randomly, but in ~10 minutes the most "lose" item appears to be:
bonetooth necklace (huehuehue)

followed by:
thornmail
haunting guise
mana manipulator
banshee's veil
boots of swiftness
ionic spark
manamune

(I didn't look at Dominion-only items)


After that last game with Fear, I went looking for some old posts on some really bad items.

Well... now that people actually build sunfire cape and haunting guise in every tournament, these posts about items in the last 4 months must have been invalidated by some patches buffing those two items right?

D:< Hate people who tell me what to build. Hate that I can't play adc in top lane without getting called a troll unless a pro does it first.


lolking statistics are mostly dumb as they apply only to solo queue and what's strong in solo queue isn't necessarily strong in arranged play.

This is especially true when you talk about items. Tiamat is sitting somewhere between a 65% and 75% winrate every day in all regions and in all ranked play.

If you went by lolking statistics for your item build then you'd have a shitty build every single game. I think that if you post on TL people have the right to criticize your build and offer improvements. If you're building unconventional shit you'd better have games and examples to back up your theories behind them. And for the record, Haunting Guise is still pretty situational. It's not good on everyone and in fact there are probably only a small number of AP champions that make good use of it (and most of them are top laners who generally have to combat early MR lol).

edit:
I do completely agree though that playing in games and having people bitch because you don't play by the "meta" is annoying. But that's what the ignore button is for. Ignore them and then own anyways.
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
November 08 2012 04:24 GMT
#4896
Welp, pretty good start for FeaR.
/On the C9 Hype Train/@DatFirefly
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
November 08 2012 04:24 GMT
#4897
Poor Loco, falling victim of first blood once more. Aphro too strong.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
November 08 2012 04:25 GMT
#4898
On November 08 2012 13:16 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2012 13:03 obesechicken13 wrote:

On April 11 2012 07:41 danana wrote:
This is a good idea for a guide! I know I would have benefited a lot from this as a starting player. A few things to possibly include:
- waiting for a 4th pot w/ boots opening in top lane
- using the starting gold mastery (iirc the pink ward opening needs 1 point, so if it does you should mention that, but i'm not very sure)
- alternate support openings (i often go for 4 wards in passive lanes against aggressive brush control supports like alistar)
- more generally, thinking about what stats your champion scales with. i think reading navi's riven guide made my overall item choices better even on other champs because i started thinking more about what stats synergize the best with the champion's kit (i.e. favoring resists over health on champions with shields or heals, favoring AD and crit on champions with AS steroids)


Yeah, thats kind of getting into other areas of knowledge...I just want to keep this a brief item summary.

Basically I just hope I can prevent nubs from ending up building this:

[image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading][image loading]

and wondering why they suck so bad




The winning team has more gold --> more items, that's why all the items have >50% win rate.

you can still compare them to each other!

I was just looking randomly, but in ~10 minutes the most "lose" item appears to be:
bonetooth necklace (huehuehue)

followed by:
thornmail
haunting guise
mana manipulator
banshee's veil
boots of swiftness
ionic spark
manamune

(I didn't look at Dominion-only items)


After that last game with Fear, I went looking for some old posts on some really bad items.

Well... now that people actually build sunfire cape and haunting guise in every tournament, these posts about items in the last 4 months must have been invalidated by some patches buffing those two items right?

D:< Hate people who tell me what to build. Hate that I can't play adc in top lane without getting called a troll unless a pro does it first.


lolking statistics are mostly dumb as they apply only to solo queue and what's strong in solo queue isn't necessarily strong in arranged play.

This is especially true when you talk about items. Tiamat is sitting somewhere between a 65% and 75% winrate every day in all regions and in all ranked play.

If you went by lolking statistics for your item build then you'd have a shitty build every single game. I think that if you post on TL people have the right to criticize your build and offer improvements. If you're building unconventional shit you'd better have games and examples to back up your theories behind them. And for the record, Haunting Guise is still pretty situational. It's not good on everyone and in fact there are probably only a small number of AP champions that make good use of it (and most of them are top laners who generally have to combat early MR lol).

It is situational but it still isn't bad. The dismissive nature of the players you play with, and the fact there are 4 of them is probably why the meta in LoL changes so slowly.

Why would you say tiamat has such a high win rate? Most people take for granted that there can be no confounding variables for why a champions win rate is high other than that its overpowered so why do you make the exception for tiamat. If a champion has a high win rate then it's automatically assumed to be broken. There's no distinction between solo queue and arranged play when people talk about broken. When M5 played urgot they made it look broken by combining it with nocturne's ult to win bot lane every game. If you just played urgot in soloqueue your team would not have that kind of coordination 99/100 games.

People are so dismissive in this game but there are rarely good reasons. It's always proof by authority or potentially flawed analysis of a statistic.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
November 08 2012 04:25 GMT
#4899
Did that korean team ever pick Zilean with Jax?

Zilean + Nid Synergy = o_O?
Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 08 2012 04:26 GMT
#4900
On November 08 2012 12:43 Irave wrote:
Should be an entertaining finals, would love to see Fear beat CLG. Plus new casters victory!

3/5th kills missed by the casters. I mean I understand missing a kill but they don't even rewind so we can see it. I want to see how Loco died fb :D
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
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