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It's like everybody forgot that hotshot knows how to play shen and his split push is big man style.
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On October 24 2012 10:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:37 little fancy wrote:
And this is why you ban Shen if you are not CLG.eu or one of the other few teams that have shown that they are capable of handling him. Not banning Shen at this level of play always seems so cocky, I don't know what they're thinking. Even TSM learned this lesson. To be fair, it is HSGG... They didn't think he's worth banning out. lulz. Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:38 Slusher wrote:
Both of these teams live and Die by bot lane, DLift won. Psh.. Dlift didn't win shit that game. Chauster won that game. CHAUSTER LOGIC GAMING.
Did you see how hard dlift stomped the "op" ez sona lane? He was significantly ahead in cs
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On October 24 2012 10:41 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:38 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:37 little fancy wrote:
And this is why you ban Shen if you are not CLG.eu or one of the other few teams that have shown that they are capable of handling him. Not banning Shen at this level of play always seems so cocky, I don't know what they're thinking. Even TSM learned this lesson. To be fair, it is HSGG... They didn't think he's worth banning out. lulz. On October 24 2012 10:38 Slusher wrote:
Both of these teams live and Die by bot lane, DLift won. Psh.. Dlift didn't win shit that game. Chauster won that game. CHAUSTER LOGIC GAMING. Did you see how hard dlift stomped the "op" ez sona lane? He was significantly ahead in cs
It was a joke... TBF, Aphro couldn't do shit that lane because that's the power of TF + Shen in game. Aphro had to play passive all game, something he's not good at. Cait + nunu = Ez + Sona, imo, also with TF + Shen, it made it impossible for Aphro and Muffin to do anything post 6.
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If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens.
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Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end.
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On October 24 2012 10:41 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:38 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:37 little fancy wrote:
And this is why you ban Shen if you are not CLG.eu or one of the other few teams that have shown that they are capable of handling him. Not banning Shen at this level of play always seems so cocky, I don't know what they're thinking. Even TSM learned this lesson. To be fair, it is HSGG... They didn't think he's worth banning out. lulz. On October 24 2012 10:38 Slusher wrote:
Both of these teams live and Die by bot lane, DLift won. Psh.. Dlift didn't win shit that game. Chauster won that game. CHAUSTER LOGIC GAMING. Did you see how hard dlift stomped the "op" ez sona lane? He was significantly ahead in cs
Hrmm I think Dlift's caitlyn stomps any ezreal lane
He's just really good with her and believes cait is a strong counter to ezreal
I also remember him winning him a 1v2 lane vs ez/sona as caitlyn (on soloq vs nien i think?)
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On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end.
CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere
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guys I like Aphro too it's not like losing to Dlift lane means you need to be benched, it's just a fact mmE.Ferus needs Aphro to carry and it didn't happen, all I'm trying to say is mancloud was holding his own in mid and Chauster was able to camp top because Dlift was winning, and thats how these teams roll. If you think it's only because they got outpicked so hard, mabye they should start picking AD last, I don't think anyone would disagree with the sentiment that Aprho winning lane is really important for them, but clearly they felt securing Ez could handle Dlift, and they were wrong.
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On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens.
I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence.
Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances.
And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL.
On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere
Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis.
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T_T I dislike seeing Aphro playing Ezreal, he nevers seems to be able to do that well with him.
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On October 24 2012 10:53 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens. I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence. Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances. And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL. Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis.
I agree with that, but even before level 6 they were down in cs. Why is that?
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well they need to protect bot to win, they shoulda picked something like darius to cancel SHen ult or just ban globals, If you want to make the argument they lost in champ select thats fine, but the bottom line is, they can't let that happen, if Aphro loses Ferus loses and thats what happened.
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On October 24 2012 10:57 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:53 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens. I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence. Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances. And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL. On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis. I agree with that, but even before level 6 they were down in cs. Why is that?
DL is the better mechanical player, but by no way was DL's play that game the key to CLG's success in that game. Contributing factor, yes, but key? nah. I'd say Chauster, and HSGG plays were biggest factor to the game win.
Too bad NA's top lane are so fucking weak, so it's not out of the realm of reality to say HSGG is top 3 NA pro toplaners.
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Chauster was able to spend the entire game top because bot was winning for free. Even when Shen did ult bot, Lee was top to hold lane.
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On October 24 2012 11:07 Slusher wrote:
Chauster was able to spend the entire game top because bot was winning for free. Even when Shen did ult bot, Lee was top to hold lane.
I'd argue bot was winning so HARD, because of Shen + TF, and that allowed chauster to camp mid and top, fairly hard. The invisible hand of global ulti's is scary. MME.F lost from champ select though, 2 global presence ult is far stronger than Karthus's R and Nocturnes R.
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On October 24 2012 10:57 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:53 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens. I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence. Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances. And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL. On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis. I agree with that, but even before level 6 they were down in cs. Why is that?
Because Muffinqt is an average support and Aphromoo is overrated as shit.
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On October 24 2012 11:15 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 10:57 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:53 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens. I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence. Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances. And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL. On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis. I agree with that, but even before level 6 they were down in cs. Why is that? Because Muffinqt is an average support and Aphromoo is overrated as shit.
Almost every NA player is overrated as shit, when they've only pretty much played against only NA teams.
Also, stop condescending Muffin.
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I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. O_O What did jiji do wrong the whole game ? I thought he played great, like the rest of the team.
Can't wait for the final NA qualifier to see which 2 teams qualify for IEM Singapore. Tomorrow there's some more CLG action against Ferus for MLG prizefight.
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On October 24 2012 11:20 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 11:15 overt wrote:On October 24 2012 10:57 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:53 wei2coolman wrote:On October 24 2012 10:43 Slusher wrote:
If you feel the need to make excuses for someone losing an Ez/Sona lane, I don't know what to tell you. Nunu/Cait was a good pick but it's not like CLG won bot lane in champion select, both of these teems need their AD to carry and Aprho got outplayed, it's not like it was vs some garbage player or anything, it happens. I dunno how you can even say that, If you were watching Aphro's stream, you could see how fucking afraid of TF ultis and Shen ultis they were. Every 10 seconds they kept calling out whether or not Shen or TF ulti's were up, and that was just for Aphro to farm in lane... It'd be ignorant to ignore the effects of Shen + TF map presence. Though, I agree in vacuum DL's Cait + Nhat's nunu is better than Aphro's Ez and Muffin's Sona, but you can't use this game as proof of such, especially considering the circumstances. And, as anyone here will tell you, I'm like the biggest DL fanboi, but this game's win was not attributed to DL. On October 24 2012 10:48 scarper65 wrote:On October 24 2012 10:45 beefhamburger wrote:
Everyone on CLG played well I think. Bot carried hard because of the great team ganks with their globals and coordination helped shut down aphro (which is a good goal vs ferus). If they didn't do that, I think bot would have come out roughly even with Ez having a little better late game than cait imo.
I think jiji was pretty underwhelming, he had the one good gank on aphro and solo kill but I still felt his play was pretty sloppy, especially during laning phase. But I'm glad to see CLG pull out the win in the end. CLG's bot lane was already ahead by at least 15 cs before anyone else even came into the lane. CLG just outplayed them everywhere Just having the POSSIBILITY of jumping into a lane with all those global ultis, changes play style. It's like the blitzcrank grab mechanic works. the possibility of a grab is just as strong as the actual usage of it, same applies to global ultis. I agree with that, but even before level 6 they were down in cs. Why is that? Because Muffinqt is an average support and Aphromoo is overrated as shit. Almost every NA player is overrated as shit, when they've only pretty much played against only NA teams. Also, stop condescending Muffin.
I disagree to an extent. Yeah there are lots of overrated NA players. But there are a few players that don't get the recognition they deserve. Specifically imaqtpie is good as shit but because of his troll attitude and his mediocre lane phase he's often looked over or even regarded as bad when in fact ever since the team's inception he's probably been their most consistent player. When scarra or Voyboy would feed or have bad games qtpie would carry them out, when Voyboy was owning people's faces qtpie backed him up and played incredibly solid. Just a shame that he's known as a troll and had to be beside a flashy player like Voyboy and a beloved player like scarra. After Voyboy left, and I still feel this way, Dignitas' best player is easily qtpie.
I also really like mandatorycloud but he tends to get eclipsed by Aphromoo.
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Aphro has an insane amount of hype but everytime I watch him (not a lot) he kicks ass so... yeah.
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