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Koenig99
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:29 overt wrote: I disagree to an extent. Yeah there are lots of overrated NA players. But there are a few players that don't get the recognition they deserve. Specifically imaqtpie is good as shit but because of his troll attitude and his mediocre lane phase he's often looked over or even regarded as bad when in fact ever since the team's inception he's probably been their most consistent player. When scarra or Voyboy would feed or have bad games qtpie would carry them out, when Voyboy was owning people's faces qtpie backed him up and played incredibly solid. Just a shame that he's known as a troll and had to be beside a flashy player like Voyboy and a beloved player like scarra. After Voyboy left, and I still feel this way, Dignitas' best player is easily qtpie. I also really like mandatorycloud but he tends to get eclipsed by Aphromoo. qtpie pretty good in comparison to na scene, but lane phase is a big deal currently meta, and even in 2v1 lanes, I don't see qtpie play that lane out correctly. NA isn't short on single player talent, there are definitely NA players in their perspective roles are on par with the top tier players, in their respective lanes/roles, but none of them are grouped in a team to do so. I'd say Dyrus and WoDx both able to hold their own against the best top laners. Nyjacky and (good) regi can hold their own against toyz and froggen. St.V and TOO can do alright against lilballz. Chau+dlift one of the best bot lanes. Cop-Elementz can hold their own against a lot of the top tier bot lane combos. Too bad there's too much ego to prevent them on forming a team. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:39 wei2coolman wrote: I'd say Dyrus and WoDx both able to hold their own against the best top laners. LOL | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Aphro deserves the hype imo. He just needs to prove he's as good or better than other ADCs on a big stage. In recent memory, Chaox slapped him around at IPL | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:39 sung_moon wrote: Orianna midlane with a HoG??? Am I seeing that right? AND THE DOUBLE KILLLLLL, HoG op'd. As much as I like watching NintendudeX's olaf jungle, It just feels so fucking dated. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Dyrus got shamed on a little bit during World Championship, but back in MLG, he was doing okay on top lane against repeared (showing that he has the ability to go toe-to-toe with what people considered the best top laner during this time). WoDx's ability to control lane tempo is better than almost anyone else in the scene, in combo with decent jungler, I would say WoDx's toplane ability is top tier, though i'd say he'd lose in a vacuum'd top lane. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Dyrus has underperformed at a majority of tournaments lately. Don't recall him carrying from top | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:43 wei2coolman wrote: Dyrus got shamed on a little bit during World Championship, but back in MLG, he was doing okay on top lane against repeared. WoDx's ability to control lane tempo is better than almost anyone else in the scene, in combo with decent jungler, I would say WoDx's toplane ability is top tier, though i'd say he'd lose in a vacuum'd top lane. I mean, if we're making comparisons on purely individual skill, you have to also make the admission that Shy isn't in the "top tier" among Korean top laners. Maknoon and Lilac are better yet than he is. If Dyrus got shamed by Shy, where does that put him in comparison to the actual top class of Korean tops? It's a skewed comparison to say individual NA players have the ability to match top tier players in other regions, and then only compare them to those players that are on successful teams. Just like on NA, there are many players in other regions that significantly outperform the rest of their teams. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:46 NeoIllusions wrote: Wings best Top NA IMO. Dyrus has underperformed at a majority of tournaments lately. Don't recall him carrying from top Yeah in his current form he's pretty bad, but he's definitely shown the ability and capacity to be up there though. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:46 NeoIllusions wrote: Wings best Top NA IMO. Dyrus has underperformed at a majority of tournaments lately. Don't recall him carrying from top To add to that, every time I see him playing Irelia I get an orgasm. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I'm just sort of sad WoDx pretty much doesn't want to be a full time pro. Even though he definitely has the skills to do it. On October 24 2012 11:49 TheYango wrote: Also, I still think it's absolutely freaking hilarious that after Worlds, NA fans went from "Doublelift best AD" to "Bebe/Weixiao, then Doublelift #3". So Chinese teams show 2 ADs that outclass Doublelift. OBVIOUSLY they are the only ones and that makes Doublelift #3? OBVIOUSLY there are not other Chinese ADs that are capable of playing to that level? Lilac Chau+Lift still #1 botlane imo. Though teamfighting, he's probably equivalent to bebe, and weixiao | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
So Chinese teams show 2 ADs that outclass Doublelift. OBVIOUSLY they are the only ones and that makes Doublelift #3? OBVIOUSLY there are not other Chinese ADs that are capable of playing to that level? On October 24 2012 11:48 MooMooMugi wrote: Shy and Maknoon top 2 easy Lilac | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:48 MooMooMugi wrote: Shy and Maknoon top 2 easy Lilac still king. Mak gets a ton of jungle and mid help. He's the backbone of Sword, literally | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2012 11:50 Chrispy wrote: Top Lane is very lame and for the most part consists of last hitting and trying your best not to die. The match up is so very dependent on the jungler that I think any top from any team could hold their own against anyone. The only player I felt carried his team from top lane in the worlds was Stanley, everyone else that I saw did standard boring farm top lane only go aggressive when your jungler is there. Because that's pretty much the only way to play top lane. Maknoon most definitely carries from top. The dynamic of Najin Sword makes him the pinnacle of how they play and the driving force to their midgame tempo. | ||
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